jim owens, the chief executive for caterpillar, is to make money for his company and shareholders.e is paid. if you or i ran caterpillar with these rules we would either export jobs and money to china to make our bottom line, or we would be fired for our failure to do so. now maybe if our government had the courage to level the playing field, the jim owens of the world, would say, let's make it in america, but until then it is bye-bye jobs and bye-bye cash in favor of a highly profitable rigged trade agreement for the profit of a few. we must, must, tamron, reverse that flow. it's not just trade. >> yeah. >> picture -- you make a certain amount of money. you spend a certain amount of money. if every month i was taking from you twice as much money as you make, how would you be doing? >> i'd be doing poorly. that's also applicable if i'm spending more money than i make as well. >> yeah. >> which brings us back to the whole debate that i don't want to talk about anymore with the debt ceiling. i want to talk about china because people bring it up all the time, china owns us, that we'll