jim jones that israel is confers -- confusing is short term versus its long-term i nterests. now i think hagel, gave a very powerful speech some years ago ed perkins, in which he said we cannot make a full stores between our rock solid relationship with israel but also we have vital relationships with other countries in the neighborhood. that very often in congress, in the senate and house, what some interest groups want to see is a zero sum game where you hug one country so tightly and you demonstrate disdain for the other. i think that is what chuck hagel is saying is not constructive. i would quickly say, i interviewed the former chief of naval operations in israel about some of his relationship with chuck hagel over the years. and he recounted something that is very interesting, because there has been a lot of criticism for hagel for not jumping on the number of the letters that the american-israel public affairs committee put through to encourage congress to vote for support. there was one that had to do with pressuring russia on jews. chuck hagel refused. the admiral said, why did not do this? and he had within a day said to him, in exchange