but david did with jim reston come up with a piece of information that had never been publicly expressed before and that was the catalyst that caused nixon to say, okay, i did something that i regret and i'm -- and i let down the country, i'm sorry for it, it's what they needed. it's only about 40 seconds worth of material, but it's what made those interviews so famous, that 40 seconds. >> is that your recollection? >> which part of it? >> the fact that he admitted that he'd done something wrong and he regretted it? >> no, that was part of the -- that was part of the interview, but i don't think it was that dramatic a part. my -- watching the movie, my sense was that it was over -- they did rather overly draw ma tiz that part of it. >> what do you think -- at one point you worked for william paley who started cbs and ran it, and before i ask you, what did you do for him? >> he was -- he recruited me when he was about to step down i think at the age of 81, having founded cbs in 1928. he was finally about to step down as chairman and he was trying to figure out what to do for the rest of h