you can play. >> jim rohr is here. a great ceo of a bank, that's how we talk about you. >> pnc financial. >> some are your friends, the guys that do that. >> very scientific analysis. >> you run a tight ship at pnc. are you up to speed on the standard charter? >> boy i tell you, wasn't that something? >> how does something like that happen under, who knew that was going on, do you think? how high would it go? do you have any idea? >> it's hard to imagine but like you, i've read the paper this morning and saw it last night, but the other thing, the ohm thing i know if you have a fraud that large, a lot of people are involved. that's not something that goes on for, i guess nine years, and the idea that it went on and only a couple people fixed the books and hid the documents, i don't think that's correct. >> what went on -- >> 60,000 trades, that's a lot of trades. >> you would have come across that. >> you would think a number of people would have come across that, $250 billion, that's a lot of money and a lot of tradin

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