jim trusty said something very interesting in his interview with kaitlan collins. she basically said, what about the fact that, do you know of anybody else who's been indicted. and he said, we're not aware of anybody else who's been indicted. and i have a theory, she says what's your theory. and he says, any maps of this argument as to, he doesn't seem to point to figure -- out. so that's the -- the guy is moving the boxes in and out. he said he move the boxes in and out at trump's direction. and he said, basically he's trying to make this argument that, the doj engaged in misbehavior, according to his allegations. that could have changed the allegation and that other. case that is walt nada nauta -- >> -- >> -- means he is cooperating, which would be a very big deal. >> and one more thing. another charge of this being talked about his false statements. it's not -- and that would be a false statement made to law enforcement or government official. it's not clear that the former president spoke to any law enforcement. but he might have directed somebody and try to i

you also heard evan talking about this jim trusty irreconcilable differences, former trump lawyer in e. his quote is, mr. trusty's withdrawal is based on irreconcilable differences between council and plaintive, and council can no longer effectively and properly represent plaintive as a trust a pull off of this lawsuit involving our network cnn. what do you think of that language? what does that indicate to you? >> just that communications have broken down so significantly between them that he had to put that language in there. i mean look, he's not the first lawyer who is no longer working for donald trump, and donald trump is having a hard time even finding legal representation because of the position that he puts his lawyers in. he asks them to make frivolous motions, he asks them to do things that they don't believe in, or that even get them into trouble. if you recall, evan corcoran is all over the mar-a-lago case. and the reason is, in the indictment, and the reason is because the attorney client privilege was pierced there, based on what's called the crime fraud exception becau

what was notable -- so much was notable in kaitlan's interview of jim trusty, getting what the chargesiracy charge, also notable the fact that it sounded from trusty and trump's former lawyer tim parlatore in us this morning that they are going to try to argue multiple kountz of prosectorial misconduct that they have not presented evidence of but you heard a lot more of that defense on tv than the defenses the president made about declassification. >> let's talk -- when we talk a defense that issing you could use at trial and you won't be able to make a prosecutorial offense at trial. it's a legal question, right? he will file a motion saying the prosecutors -- it's witch hunt -- >> a motion to dismiss? >> yeah, the indictment. he is not going to win on that absent some revelation of major misconduct by prosecutors or whatever and even if it reached that point a judge could move a prosecutor off the case or something like that. now, if it were to get to trial, the defense is virtually all of these crimes involve an element of willfulness, the person intended to commitment crime. we wer

so i worked with jim trusty at the department of justice, seasoned former federal prosecutor. i could imagine that this happens quite often when a defendant is hoping that he is not getting indicted and he gets indicted, a lot of defendants blame their lawyer, even if it's not the lawyer's fault, it's the client's fault for doing what they did. todd blanche, though, is a respected lawyer, he represented paul manafort in new york state court and was successful in arguing double jeopardy. he -- i'd say one thing to be careful about is that todd blanche left his law firm and he now has one and only one client, which is the former president. he may do a great job, but it is somewhat perilous to only have one client because one of the jobs of a lawyer is to say no, is to make sure that you are in control of the case and when you only have one client, that can be somewhat difficult to do that. >> katherine, i know that you know him. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, as you know, he's also representing mr. trump on his manhattan da indictment and his reputation prior to mr. tr

host: again, jim trusty, the former president's attorney.king about what he knows when the president will appear in court in florida. helen in california, republican line. hi. caller: hi, the law being applied to trump from the classified documents. i may rightfully assume trump and biden may soon be cellmates because biden was found with classified documents in the garage of his delaware home there was a little bit -- over that. as trump said, he is not even president anymore but the democrats are terrified of trump regaining power. it is not so much trump regaining power, it is the power of the people have that want trump as president again. that is what they're trying to squash. this is not about squashing trump. this is not about proving he is guilty of espionage, therefore biden would be too. it is about squashing the people's right to vote for who they want to have as the president. as an aside, the idea of classified documents -- it should be illegal to have any documents that emanate from our government as classified, therefore secre

. >> andrew weissmann, let's talk about jim trusty. he has his own take on the presidential records act. i want your reaction and laura's. >> up until the presidential records act, any former president could possess anything they want. that was just kind of the nature of the business. we entrusted them with the nation's secrets. if they want to keep stuff, they can keep it. the pra kicked in because of richard nixon. what it anticipates is nothing criminal. there's no criminal statute within the presidential records act that says it's a violation to possess any of these things. what they say is, the world is presidential or personal. the president of all people, the former president, makes the call. if the archivist disagrees, it doesn't turn criminal. they can sue civilly in washington, d.c. >> andrew, your rebuttal? >> what i will say is, this may be a good reason he is no longer on the case. that's just -- in some ways, it's a useful thing for him to say because it's so much like look at the birdie. it's not the law. this is a crimi

neil: ashley, do you know whether jim trusty had a heads up? he was talking to the media this morning that that he was going to be dumped by afternoon? >> reporter: i know. i don't think he did. that's a very good question. will we ever know, but having watched him on the morning shows, it didn't appear to me that he was on his way out. and if he was, it was a remarkably good acting job. [laughter] i think donald trump in his message said, you know, you've done a good job, but you're facing true evil and corruption which suggested perhaps he felt he needed to bring in someone more heavy-hitting perhaps, i don't know. neil: yeah. bring in some tigers, i guess. all right, ashley, thank you for that. at the corner of wall and broad, we have a minor selloff going on, but i would imagine given all of next week's big developments with donald trump, there is the issue of what happens the day after he appears in that miami courthouse. the federal reserve starts a 2-day meeting at which we used to think they weren't going to hike rates, they were going

i think that that may have something to do with it too. >> we heard your former colleague, jim trustyt up with katelyn last night, but there is no evidence brought to us. we have none of that reporting. i want to make clear that is an allegation. i want to know based on your dealings -- >> you know, though. >> go ahead. >> if i may, an indictment is an allegation. an indictment is an allegation, and ordinarily doj would put out a press release where they say these are just allegations and the defendant is presumed innocent. because they haven't unsealed the indictment, they have kind of skipped that piece. they have made allegations, they haven't presented any evidence yet. jim trusty made an allegation. >> to be clear here, though -- >> certainly there is eyewitness testimony. >> this is different in the sense that the justice department hasn't said anything at all publicly, the president was the one who announced he was indicted. the president was the one who made the video. the president's team is the one who detailed elements of the charges. so i don't know that that's necessarily

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jim trusty, donald trump's former attorney, shared with cnn what is a summary of what the trumm team got, and violation of the espionage act, and falsification of records, and conspiracy as well as false statements, but again, they are getting it from a summary, thane don't have the full indictment, and the public has not seen the full indictment, and it is not unsealed. remark b remarkably, it is donald trump who shared the news of the indictment on his own social page, and we have not heard from the justice department, and we have a broad brush view but no details. we heard from donald trump's attorney last night, and this is what jim trusty told our kaitlan collins. >> basically, they are breaking out from the espionage act charge and then obstruction charges and then false statement charges which are again kind of a crazy stretch from the facts that we know it. so there is a lot to pick at eventually from the defense side, but that appears to be the charges and appears to be something that we will get off of the ground on tuesday. >> now, i don't think that we should be surprised

host: that was jim trusty from yesterday. it was the supreme court yesterday issuing that surprising ruling in favor of like voters in a congressional redistricting case in alabama with two conservative justices joining liberals in rejecting a republican led effort. chief justice john roberts and brett kavanaugh lined with liberals and a lower court ruling that found a likely violation of the voting rights act and alabama congressional map with one majority black seat out of seven districts in the seat were -- were more than one in four residents are black. they have a new map for it next year's election and this was anticipated for the potential effect on controlling closely divided u.s. house of representatives because of the ruling. it could allow democratic leaning black voters to elect their preferred candidate. john in massachusetts, independent line. >> yes, how are you doing? the problem is trump went in thinking america was a business. america is not a business. the republican party thinks america business. america i

. >> brian: bring in jim trusty former federal prosecutor. one of donald trump's attorneys. n i just make a recommendation that you put mark levin on your defense team, jim, because he is obviously fired up why you ied that meeting and what took place. >> can i do the first part the second part gets trickier. good morning. and, look, thanks for having me on why came can as we this investigation. no reason on god's green's earth that anyone should trust the information bubbling up from the special counsel's office to the attorney general. under the special counsel statute, it's still the attorney general that controls the ultimate decisions here. it's not jack smith, well, what we have run into through the course of trying to have meetings is an attorney general that's hiding behind jack smith, pretending that he is not the ultimate decisionmaker and what we want told do is say, look, we have uncovered significant misconduct. substantive defenses that are fantastic. mark levin could rattle them off better than me. the presidential records act means this entire thing is not in

jim trusty says the presidential records act allows the president to do pretty much anything and avoid obstruction. watch. >> so when you have the presidential records act depends where you have the classification as a defense, then there's really nothing, i mean, he could have had a party throwing stuff in a bonfire and it would not be obstruction. >> trace: with a bonfire and no such thing is obstruction. >> let's be realistic about it. yes, in the microcosm of letting something become part of the public eye and the public preview maybe that is not obstruction. but the obstruction that is levied in multiple counts in this indictment may be as simple as i'm asking you for something, trace. and you are not giving it to me as the department of justice. you are obstructing my goal to get justice in the furtherance of the investigation. i would not put all my eggs in the basket of obstruction of justice is destruction of the materials. perhaps we can consider obstruction of justice as just not cooperating. >> trace: what about the fact that, you know, mishandling of documents, right, is t

jim trusty and john raulie suddenly resigned. jim trusty was on our show defending the former president and then two hours later he quit. so, anyway you have to have somebody who is a member ever the florida bar or sponsored by a member and looking for somebody tolls joint club. >> ainsley: jonathan goodman will preside over the arraignment today. female judge you were talking about, we saw her picture. someone appointed by trump and will actually have the case. also in other news senator chuck grassley. >> brian: this is stunning. >> ainsley: on the senate floor yesterday and he revealed that a burisma executive who allegedly paid the biden administration that $5 million has audio conversations with joe biden and hunter biden. he says 17 recordings, 15 with hunter and two with joe. listen to. this these recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case that he got into a tight spot. the 1023 also indicates that then vice president joe biden maivelg involved in burisma employing hunter

and, again, this is coming from trump's attorney jim trusty.sort of a summary and that's where he is drawing this from, but even the trump team doesn't have a copy of this indictment yet and, again, the indictment has not been unsealed, it has not been made publicly available so there are still a lot of details here that we simply don't know. we do know that the trump team was bracing for this yesterday, they felt the indictment was likely, they were, of course, tracking the news coverage of this. they were so prepared, in fact, that they decided to have donald trump pre record a video responding to the indictment before the team had even been informed that trump was indicted. he maintained his innocence in that video. take a listen. >> it's called election interference. they're trying to destroy our reputation so they can win an election. that's just as bad as doing any of the other things that have been done over the last number of years. i'm an innocent man, i did nothing wrong. i'm innocent and we will prove that very, very soundly and hope

meanwhile at doj as you mention, donald trump's legal team led by jim trusty jim trusty with unnamed federal authorities who were members of the special counsel's legal team attorney general merrick garland and his deputy lisa monaco were not there. this is in regards to the investigation of classified documents found at mar-a-lago. we know the grand jury is meeting this week. there are reports that smith is nearing an end with his document investigation. martha. >> martha: thank you very much, let's bring a jonathan turley, law professor, constitutional law attorney and fox news contributor. good to see it. so let's start with the first part of this and he heard the back and forth between james comer who said this is a very hot document and it has a credible source and it lays out in june of 2020 that they brought forward this claim that when he was vice president, joe biden accepted a $5 million trade-off basically for a policy that he would undertake. that is very specific. raskin said the absolute opposite. he said that there is no they are there, it was investigated by the trump

one of his lawyers, jim trusty talked about it and said they're still trying to arrange a meeting.with the attorney general, merrick garland after sending a letter demanding one and still haven't had one. here is some of what he said. >> prosecutorial misconduct has infected this case and we need to get it to the attorney general directly. before he makes any important decisions, he needs to recognize just how far -- how far afield this case has gotten. >> what do you make of what he's saying and their demand to meet with garland himself and garland at least as far as we know to this point complete lack of response on this. what does this translate into? >> i think that they think there's an indictment coming down soonish and that this is their opportunity to make that last-minute meeting with the justice department which is not super unusual to get an opportunity to say, here's why you should not indict my client. but the idea that they would go to garland now is somewhat bizarre, if we do find there is a report of that meeting then i do think we're within a 24, 48-hour period of

. >> reporter: jim trusty, one of trump's lawyers representing him in the criminal investigation says trump did declassified all material in question, but -- >> i'm not trying the case in the media. i'm not going to address the document as if it's right or if the audiotape exists or if it's not something that's really wrong. >> reporter: trump's legal team has requested a meeting with attorney general merrick garland to express what they say are their concerns about the special counsel's investigation. last night one of trump's attorneys told cnn there have been some discussions back and forth about the possibility of a meeting, but the fact that investigators have this recording, that really undercuts the trump team's central argument against this investigation, which is the argument that it's merely a politically motivated probe. jake. >> paula reid, thanks so much. let's bring in former trump attorney tim parlatore. he left the trump legal team in may. he's the lawyer that organized the searches of multiple trump properties for these documents last year. thanks so much for joining

jim trusty is here with us. jim, thank you for joining us. you heard all of that reporting from kaitlan. but i want to ask you, were you aware of the existence of the state prior to this report? >> this is really missing the real story here. i mean, you guys teased it by saying what great reporting, is what great journalism it is. i'm sure you're happy to have people talking to you. but this is a leak campaign. >> i understand what you are saying. >> just one second. >> i'm just wondering, did you know that this tape existed, and other others? >> i am not going to try a case based on the governments leaks. but we need to just recognize the significance of the moment. which is the doj and the fbi or some combination of them are engaging in a leak campaign. how this actually started three days after that raid on mar-a-lago with an unprecedented press conference. you've never seen in the history of prosecution an attorney general doing that. >> jim, i just have to correct you. the mar-a-lago raid was publicized by your client. >> abby, abby. >>

e*trade from morgan stanley >>> you just heard donald trump's attorney jim trusty on that reporting that the special counsel has a recording of donald trump discussing that he had in his possession a classified report from the pentagon. i'm joined now by cnn's senior political analyst gloria borger, host of "the assignment." audie cornish, former trump campaign adviser, jason osborne, and former prosecutor shan wu. so shann, start with you. what did you make of trusty's explanation for all of this? >> i think as you pointed out in the interview, there was no explanation. he was trying to make the distinction he didn't want to make an explanation because he didn't want to try his case in the press. but from a prosecutor's standpoint in the criminal justice system, he really wasn't giving any examples. there was a lot of noise he made about prosecutorial misconduct. seems to be related to what he is claiming are leaks, but he doesn't give any examples of it. and i found particularly silly, actually was the point about the press conference is he has never seen a press conference like that.

jim trusty, this is his first interview since news of the indictment broke just a few hours ago. stion, do you have a copy of this indictment? >> no, we haven't been provided with the indictment yet. what we have right now, is essentially a summons, which is a replacement for a warrant. normally, indictments are accompanied by a warrant, where there is interest, here we received a summons. from the department of justice, asking us to be at the courthouse tuesday at 3:00. >> does it say how many charges there are against your client? >> again, it doesn't perfectly mirror an indictment, it does have some language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. not 100 and clear that all of those are separate charges, but they basically break out from an espionage act charge, which is ludicrous under the facts of this case, and i can certainly explain it, and several obstruction based type charges, and then false statement charges, which are actually, again, kind of a trees crazy stretch from the fact that we know it. there's a lot to pick at from the defense side, that appears

jim trusty and john rally. they left the legal team. now it's been led by a veteran white shoe attorney named blanch. trump is going to argue that he had blanket classification powers. and they believe that regardless of what happens in this case, should it go to trial, they could appeal it all the way to the supreme court and make this about privileged questions. about executive privilege. what can an executive do and not do when it comes to classified documents. we're also going to see from the political side a real reckoning. many before in the past decade, when donald trump has had issues or challenges, the republicans have rallied around him. and they did that during the fbi search last year. but now he's in the race for the presidency again. people want to beat him. who is going to step up? already, former vice president pence had the question, does the former president even believe in the rule of law? and they asked, why are you doing this now? and pence's reply, "it's time." others are speaking up. who else? >> it's an important

you've got riley, and you've got jim trusty. who have been leading the charge in the defense, they basically -- they've been interacting with the federal government and investigators. literally, within 24, hours when the announcement of an indictment is imminent, they resign. now, you and i both know there could be things going on behind the scenes. we know tim, just a few weeks ago, it resigned because he was not getting along with epstein who was the, quote in-house counsel for donald. trump let's see what tom blanched can. do the problem with tom blanche, number, one he has a deal with donald trump. number two, he's not a national security attorney. there's big challenges for top blanche, among the two i just listed, yasmin, the worst thing for todd blanche is dealing with donald trump. >> katie phang, thank, you good to talk to you. the former president is set to deliver his public remarks, his first public remarks since this indictment in just a short time. he will speak at the georgia republican party state convention. it

when john rowley and jim trusty are two of the top attorneys who have been litigating this for months, they probably know this case better than anyone else, but now they are no longer on this team and whoever it is that they are adding to this team has not started. todd blanche the other attorney who is taking the helm has only been a lawyer for the former president for about two months, he was hired in early april. so that does speak to also the legal challenges that they are facing in taking this case to trial. >> also i want you to tell us about walt nauta. he is also charged in the indictment, a long-time trump aide. he is now facing multiple criminal charges himself. >> he is someone who was actually with the former president right now. we were told as of yesterday that walt nauta was with trump in bedminster at his golf club there, and of course is at the center of this indictment where they took documents, boxes from mar-a-lago to there. he is someone who was a valet for trump in the white house, essentially a body man, he was very close there doing personal errands for trump.

jim trusty, i believe when he was part of the legal team, he is going to show up. you have to work through the procedural logistics, it's not every day a former president moves around. but you go to the pretrial phrase, all kind>> martha: wereg jonathan here, how she began to wrap this up, we saw the scene -- >> we saw the scene shannon not long ago of the president flying from mar-a-lago from west the west airport, to appear in state court up to new york, not a plane can be going the other way because the president is in bedminster, so they're likely to come from laguardia, or one of the new jersey airports nearby. in flight on the other way to miami to appear in court. so, we will have all of the same imagery that we had not long ago when the going the other direction. >> and there are some differences, but as you guys have been noting com objects can and is the one who has been assigned this passion that is a random thing that has not been chosen. and she is taking some heat from the way she had a thinks area, and overruled on that so we'll see how she proceeds

>> so, when you said the current legal team, john rowley, jim trusty, lindsey hal gann, i have nothing to criticize them about. and i do think that they are capable of handling this. jim and john are both very experienced attorneys. they both spent a lot of years at dodge doj. so, i do think they'd be capable of handling this. >> i want to be clear when we're talking about these document retentions, and no one's being dismissive. when i hear that phrase, document retention, that you heard on the other panel, about this being something relegated to a minor thing. these are current laws on the books involving the presidential records act, involving congressional legislation to say, we as a society do not want documents that are classified or of national security interest or otherwise or defense information to be out and about, retained, released, disclosed, in some way. so, when you're talking about the document retention aspect of it, do you think that people see it as minimized based on the fact that these are documents and the fact that the information itself, yes, it's in trump's hea

>> when you say that the current legal team, jim trusty, lindsay halogen halligan -- and i do you thinke capable of handling this. jim and john are both very, experienced attorneys, they both spent a lot of years at doj. so i think that they would be capable of handling this. yes. >> i want to be clear that when we are talking about these as document retention,'s that nobody is being dismissive of the gravity that is involved. when i hear the phrase document retention that you heard -- panel -- about this being something relegated to a minor thing. these are current laws on the books involving the presidential records act, involving congressional, legislative initiatives to say, we as a society do not want documents that are classified or of national security interest, or otherwise, or defense information to be out and about, detained, retained, released, disclosed, in some way. so when you are talking about the document retention aspect of it, do you think that people see it as minimized based on the fact that they are documents, and the information itself -- yes, it's in trump's head.

trump attorney jim trusty had no answer -- >> jim, if this was declassified, then why are we told thats on this tape, basically, telling the people in the room that he can't share it with them? >> you are told by the doj or fbi or whoever filtered that to you, anything they can think of to justify -- >> no, but -- the prosecution. >> there's new reporting today that reveals how the tape actually figures into the jack smith investigation and presentation of evidence. nbc news can report this, recording was played to the investigation to the garage that's in charge of trump's handling of documents, "washington post" prints two people familiar with the recorded conversation said prosecutors have asked witnesses about trudge's a awareness of the document discussing at bedminster was sensitive that he could not share or declassify after leaving office. a potential smoking gun in the form of a tape of donald trump kims in the declassified investigation is where we begin. "the new york times" reporter katy bender is here. also joining us, former dispute assistant u.s. attorney harry litman is

jim trusty has been on american television over the last few hours defending donald trump, saying that the charges against them were politically motivated. and he was alleging wrong doing by the f b. i the department of justice without providing any firm proof. and then he's just handed in his resignation. he said with his colleague, john riley, they decided that they will tend to the resignations to donald trump. they will no longer act for him when it comes to the documents case of the judge of a 6 case, and they walk away from this. now we won't get anything more than that because of quite a time. the privilege, the what is clear is that for a man who was such a vociferous defender of donald trump just a few years a few hours ago to walk away, is quite a significant blow to donald trump's team. of course, he will not have to look for others who can help him out because he's doing court in miami. at 3 o'clock on tuesday afternoon. he's got rallies planned in georgia and north carolina on saturday. and the organizers are saying they've seen a rush of people who want to attend those ev

that's because there's 2 previous lawyers, a john trustee, and or jim trusty and john, rally quits after this indictment came down. so he's got an attorney who is going to represent him today. his name is todd blanche being helped by christopher cheese a. but they're really looking to assemble a team. it wasn't even clear this day was gonna be able to be pulled off because trump was still searching for lawyers. so he's had some trouble due to some of his past cases. some people just don't want to take his case. nevertheless, what's gonna happen today is the us marshall's services will take his surrender. and what we saw in new york may be repeated here, but we don't know and there won't be cameras in there, so we won't find out until afterwards. but a dna sample has to be taken in the new york case. they used to fingerprints. they did not photograph the former president. well here. uh we're not sure that's gonna happen or not, but then he will likely not be hancock. that's what happened in new york as well, and then after that there will be entertainment in which she'll appear before. a

brian: removing jim trusty, you watch him beat up these other networks. he said a nice thing on his exit interview but he's not out. judge jeanine: it's not unusual to the fed. they will say to a defense attorney, you can't represent this person because we think you are part of a plan to conceal. they threaten and intimidate lawyers to get them off these cases because they don't want them. brian: i want to get some perspective, some deep thoughts from the host of the rubin report, dave rubin. where is this story going in i want to say just like you, i am thought a lawyer, and i want to applaud you for having judge jeanine on retainer since 1971. that is extremely impressive. obviously i echos a lot of things judge jeanine said. most people who don't read indictments. most people are seeing a glaring discrepancy between the way they are treating trump and the way they are treating biden. the way you talked about at the end, it sounds like in september of 2021 he showed someone what the one of his pacs some classified documents. you definitely can't do that

and he was just on cnn last night speaking to abby philip and kaitlan collin, and this is what jim trusty said about this. >> the president under the presidential act can do what he wants with the documents while president. i will not dignify leaks that are unfair and dishonest. this is leak campaign. >> so he is not denying that the audio tape exists or the merits of this story, but our understanding is that he is still saying that there is this ability for the donald trump to declassify things, but our understanding is that this audio tape, and what trump is saying, and we have not heard it specifically, but it is going to undercut all of the defenseness that donald trump's team has used in court, or excuse me, before they are in court and in the public sphere that we are going to be gearing up and we may have to try this case. >> caikatelyn, thank you for th and more for the former president to face. >> and he is the leading candidate who is arriving in iowa today for a series of campaign events, and he is going to be looking different from the past rallies, and jeff zeleny is in urban

. >> steve: we had jim trusty on and he was talking about how much time working on case like this is.t facing these charges which will be unsealed on tuesday, potential case in georgia, potential case with jack smith and january six and other stuff, does the former president have time to run for president and defend himself? sounds like this is happening in the next year. >> i think so and will give you example as former chief of staff of dod for him. i've seen him operate hostage operations, secure the southern border, order us to deploy dod, take out ccp fentanyl flow. that was one day for me in the white house. yes, i think president trump of all people can do both this campaign and effectively show the two-tier system of justice is targeting him and anyone supporting him next. i think he is the only one. >> steve: multi task. kash, thank you for joining us today. >> ainsley: carley is upstairs with headlines. >> carley: update on story we've been following. joran van der sloot, main suspect in natalee holloway's disappearance is set to be arraigned in just hours. he was extradited

. >>> this just into cnn, jim trusty is off of the case for donald trump who recently resigned in theexcuse himself from trump's lawsuit from cnn, and he has cited irreconcilable differences with trump for the reason of the resignation. that is the phrase irreconcilable differences that caught everyone's attention. what does it mean, evan? >> look, the trump team is always a scene of drama, and between the lawyers, always a lot of knifing behind the scene, and what the former president's, and now former lawyer is saying that he wants off of this lawsuit. this is what it says mr. trusty's withdrawal is based on the irreconcilable differences between the counsel and plaintiff, and this is mr. trump, of course, and counsel can no longer properly and effectively republresent the client. and that is in the documents case, and he and another attorney resigned saying they were handing it off to other lawyers who are now representing the former president, and now trusty is saying that he wants off this lawsuit citing these irreconcilable difference, and a recap of the lawsuit. this is a lawsu

host: jim trusty, the former president's attorney.alking about what he knows when the president will appear in court in florida. helen in california, republican line. caller: the law being applied to trump from the classified documents. i may rightfully assume trump and biden may soon be cellmates because biden was found with classified documents in the garage of his delaware home there was a little bit over that. as trump said, he is not even president anymore but the democrats are terrified of trump regaining power. it is not so much trump regaining power, it is the power of the people have that want trump as president again. that is what they're trying to squash. this is not about squashing trump. this is not about proving he is guilty of espionage, therefore biden would be too. it is about squashing the people's right to vote for who they want to have as the president. as an aside, the idea of classified documents -- it should be illegal to have any documents that emanate from our government as classified, therefore secret from th

he thanked his attorneys jim trusty who you have seen on our air a number of times and john r rauhly,platform as he is getting ready for tuesday which is behind the scenes, law e enforcement is working on and secret service. so on tuesday, the plan is that the president is going to be brought down to miami ak and the secret service is trying to figure out the best routes and come up with a number of routes to bring him safely to the federal courthouse and bring him there for process big the federal marshals, and when he is given to custody to the u.s. marshals, and they will formally arrest him, and begin the processing of the former president of the processing, and he is going to be electronically processed and so he is not going to be merging with ink on the hands saying this is what they did to me, and the pictures of the marshals, and that is part of the process there, and none of that is releasable under the justice department rules, and they don't allow for the release of booking photographs. sara. >> we know that law enforcement is right now trying to figure out all of the plan

jim trusty is sitting there saying respond to what? so ultimately, you get the decision which even that we couldn't read saying there's a crime fraud exception and all of a sudden the notes go over to the government. >> laura: what happens if they didn't have the notes? how critical where the notes to the prosecution? >> to me, they do not reveal anything seriously critical. what they do reveal is ordinary attorney-client coord communican which they use to take to the grand jury and then use to put into their indictment things that should never be said outside of the attorney-client communication setting. to try to separate evan corcoran from the legal team so he becomes a witness instead of a lawyer. >> laura: they wanted to turn them against president trump. how poisonous is this to the legal process if you can't -- especially someone like a president who's been such a target for so many years. you can't actually hire attorneys and expect the government's not going to try to flip them against you using whatever means necessary. >> th

on thursday night, trump's attorney jim trusty appeared on cnn to discuss what he knew about the chargesrom the summary sheet. >> it does have some language that suggests what the seven charges would be. not 100% clear those are separate charges but they basically breakout from an espionage act charge, which is ludicrous under the facts of this case. and several obstruction-based type charges and then false statement charges, which are actually, again, kind of a crazy stretch. there is a lot to pick at eventually from the defense side, but that appears to be the charges and it appears to be something will get off the ground on amy: the indictment tuesday. stems from an investigation by special counsel jack smith, who is also probing donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election and his role in the january 6 insurrection. trump could still face additional federal charges in those investigations. two months ago, trump was also indicted in new york on 34 felony counts for falsifying business records to cover up hush-money payments made to adult film star stormy daniels a

jim trusty. thank you for joining us, jim trusty. what did you learn from the special counsel?well, we learned that this special counsel is hell bent on criminalizing something that i really don't think has a criminal basis under the presidential records act. we now have a summons to appear tuesday afternoon at 3:00 p.m. it has at least a summary of the types of charges we expect to see in the indictment. and it puts a stamp of reality of something in terms of the weaponization of the department of justice. >> i know you're going to use that phrase weaponization of department of justice. it's not just the presidential records act. reportedly the espionage act much more seriously perhaps, obstruction of justice, false statements. those are common crimes. >> yeah. all of which is predicated on the idea that you can send a message from the white house to the archivists to doj to use a dispute, a regular dispute about documents in a former president's home and turn that into a criminal investigation and criminal raid. it all stems from the same initial corrupt and politicized sourc

it bears mentioning, because there's been so much news today, the two lawyers, john raleigh and jim trustyre handling all of this, resigned this morning. that leaves trump -- >> can i just on the question of resign, in trump world, resign, fired. >> same thing. >> fine line. they are gone. >> they are gone. tim parlatore is on cnn all the time. and msnbc, talking about this case. lindsay haugen is left on the team. she has very little experience on this level at all. and todd blanche is also representing boris epshteyn. evan corcoran, who is a source of so much of this damning material, is still representing trump, and the january 6th. >> lawrence, this is what you get here from what corcoran is doing the most to file. it's the james comey thing. comey, these are lawyerly tactics. you have a conversation with donald trump, you immediately go look over's notes. because it's like handling -- material. it is so dangerous to be around this guy, that you need to protect yourself. this is your coin. protect yourself for these contemporaneous notes. -- >> that continues the tone on hbo's latest v

. >> this week i spoke to jim trusty and here is what he said about all of this that paula has been reportingred authority to do what he wants with documents that he's taken from the white house while president and so if he wants to de classify them and personalize them, that is his right. >> well, were any documents that former president trump took with him to any of his properties, did they contain sensitive military plans? >> i'm not trying my case in the president. so he would have the right to possess them if they did but i'm not going to address that. would he have the right to possess them if they were classified documents? >> yes. >> because -- >> it is such an interesting argument, but it just strikes me. what we're talking about here is potentially, you know, not only classified documents that relate to national security, but is that really the argument that they're going to take to voters, about whether or not that is right or wrong for him to do. >> if the republican primary voters only care about donald trump and do whatever he wants in office, that is an effective case. i'm not

so, you'll remember, the former president's attorney, jim trusty, was on this show earlier this week,een returned to the national archives. exclusive new reporting from cnn sheds light on why. two sources say donald trump's attorneys have not found that document, even after the justice department issued a subpoena demanding that it and other military documents be returned. katelyn polantz is one of the reporters on the story. and she joins us at the table. she's also been breaking a lot of news on this extraordinary story. do we even know that this document that trump was describing is something that he had and that it exists? >> well, we don't have any reporting that would say otherwise. and, you know, we haven't heard the audio tape yet. we would love to hear the audio tape. but, it has been described to me and to my colleagues, holly reed and kaitlan collins, all of us from multiple sources. and in this july 2021 meeting at bedminster, it seems very apparent that donald trump is referring to the document in his hand, waving it around. and we also know from our reporting that this d

jim trusty just yesterday was on cnn defending the president. the fact he decided to step aside -- we don't know what it means, but it means something. i think we can expect the judge to be fair, evenhanded. she has a reputation for being fair. that being said, she did enter some rulings that were controversial, as you correctly pointed out, and ultimately, it was reversed, and i think understands now the court is watching this case closely and will keep an eye on it. >> mr. trump has been saying for months he was within his rights to take these documents. he even suggested in a conversation last year that he effectively declassified them with his mind. >> if you are the president of the united states, you can declassified just by saying this is declassified, even by thinking about it because you are sending it to mar-a-lago or to wherever you are sending it. it does not have to be a process. there can be a process, but there does not have to be. you're the president. you make that decision. >> cnn obtained a transcript of a july 2021 meeting wh

as president trump's bedroom and office space and a ballroom he announced blanch and outgoing of jim trusty and john lally. >> former president trump is set to appear in miami federal court on tuesday next week at 3:00 p.m. rich? >> rich: nate, thank you. jesse banal joins us this evening. you heard nate lay it all out in his piece, charges that the president kept. sensitive information, classified information, defense information, didn't give it back as requested. hid it from the fbi and his own attorneys and then told investigators he surrendered it all when he hadn't. what do you make of it all? is it true? where does the defense go from here. >> thank you for having me. because i'm not the lawyer in this case i of course don't know some of the factual aspects of this. here's the really important thing. one of the most important legal issues that i don't think is being discussed enough. and that is that president trump, as the former president of the united states, is subject to the presidential records act. that is something that congress has decided to make presidents and former presid

. >>> today, jim trusty, the attorney for former president donald trump, who recently resigned aftereral indictment was unsealed, just announced he's withdrawing from another case, the former president's lawsuit against our network, cnn. trusty cited irreconcilable differences with trump as the reason for the resignation. two of trump's lawyers have contacted the justice department to get security clearances. those are requirements for him to access evidence in the federal case. much of the evidence is classified. the judge overseeing that case, aileen cannon, told trump's legal team they had to get in touch with the doj by today. this comes, as another federal judge set an early 2024 trial date for e. jean carroll's original defamation case against trump. this one is separate from the one we saw last month, where a jury awarded carroll $5 million after finding trump sexually abused and defamed carroll. with us now, kristen holmes, cnn chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny as well. if carroll's defamation case goes to trial in january 2024, you see where this goes with the

but what you are hearing from the trump team is not a whole lot of new this and i said as much to jim trusty on wednesday. there's no real explanation for trump's conduct as reported by cnn and as put forward by the justice department as they have been engaging in this investigation. i don't think that has really changed. >> gloria, it's rather remarkable that this tape came about because of an interview that ghost writers for mark meadows were doing the former president's chief of staff, it was an interview they were doing -- >> for mark meadows' autobiography that they were ghost writing. it just shows you how remarkable donald trump is, because he's so careless. if if he's talking about classified information, who are these people? did they have a security clearance? the answer is no. and why was he talking about it, even if he didn't have the document, why was he talking about classified information, and then said, of course, according to the reporting, i'm not supposed to be talking about this, which shows you that he knew he shouldn't be talking about classified information, which also

in a sudden and unexpected move, two of his top attorneys in the mar-a-lago case, jim trusty and john last friday. trump said he was removing them. they said they resigned. last month, jim parlatore quit. he told cnn it wasn't because of the case or the client but because trump aide boris epshteyn undermined him. >> had really done everything he could to try to block us, to prevent us from doing what we could to defend the president. he served as kind of a filter to prevent us from getting information to the client and getting information from the client. in my opinion, he was not very honest with us or with the client on certain things. >> reporter: in response, a spokesperson for trump told cnn the statements regarding current members of the legal team are unfounded and categorically false. infighting and chaos in trump's legal circles is nothing new, analysts say. and it's often due to a client who's notorious for not listening to legal advice. >> you have a client who is very strong-headed, who expects things from his lawyers that they cannot deliver, who after his many decades of

. >> jesse: we had jim trusty, one of the president's lawyers who went to the justice department, i believe have a many face to face with the special counsel. it must not have made an impression. dual tract to this january 6th investigation ongoing there is something down in georgia we don't know much about except the giggly wicken is in charge of that jury. then you have alvin bragg here in new york. is there any concern that this is just a legal onslawted that might be so difficult to overcome or is the president confident? >> no, no. because at the end of the day, all of these indictments the american people need to remember they are a one sided evidentiary hearing in a grand jury that is put on by far left democrats. jack smith is effectively what you would call a democrat left wing operative for lack of better word. all he does is hate trump, hate the right wing. you put this guy this charge. he gives a group of people in a silo his information. his evidence then he gets an indictment. that's really the first step. i want the american people to understand this legally. this is no diffe