middle of a wonderful conversation about discovering that they are jewish with monty hall and jim vanbuskirk. welcome back. >> there's so much to talk about. i'm just wondering how the two of you had met and if you could just talk a little bit about is there a community of folks out there are jewish community. >> one of the ways that we had met but you know we reconnected when i remembered a wonderful novel by richard hall called family fictions. and, it was about a family who had hidden its jewish identity. i opened it up. it was dedicated to marnie. i sent her an email and i said guess what. i think i'm part of the tribe. so we sat down over lunch and we started comparing notes. it was just this great connection. it really gave me solace and a sense of community and i remember her telling me about a bar mitzvah that she had held for yourself. and i said no. you mean this. and she said no. talk about that you know. >> anyway richard was my brother. it's a true book about that. you know it's a true novel about that fiction which is my family fiction. very interesting thing. >> and had you di