jim walden, s.e. cupp, david irvin. these the inverse of each other? designer who doesn't want to make a website for gay couples because it violates her religious beliefs, is this the same as restaurant waitstaff who doesn't want to serve a christian group because they violate the waitstaff's beliefs? >> i'm not a legal scholar, but i think the master cake -- masterpiece cupcake case before the supreme court makes it clear, those are not analogous things. but i think -- >> why not? >> well, for a number of reasons. because it is illegal to discriminate against someone based on their faith, based on their race, based on their creed. it's not maybe -- again, i'm not a legal scholar -- illegal to decide someone cannot come into your private business, cannot come into your private establishment. i don't know, it's a bad idea. it's a bad idea from the right or the left to tell people that based on their political beliefs, they are not welcome, you're not going to serve them. especially since they hadn't shown up yet. you can't say that your waitstaff felt u

we're back with jim walden, s. e. cupp, and david urban.id, for all of the skepticism of early voting and mail-in voting, how much do you think that ruined republicans chances? >> it ruled our chances at all these elections. democrats are very smart, right, how they play this game. so, they get the ballots, they can cure an absentee ballot that is not filled out correctly. and then when you get the ballots and you know who's voted, who hasn't voted, you turn them out. it's great operation. democrats have to get this out. and republicans are so far behind. we are going to be playing catch-up for a long time. just now, you see newt and some others saying, even sean hannity saying, maybe we should not be doing this. >> today. , i mean, it's a little late. >> in 2020 in 2016, all of this is happening in pennsylvania and other states. we should be doing it. and the former president say no, don't do it, it's bad, absentee bad, not doing it. so we talk to our team out of play on a level field. >> i want to play that sound clip to. because many wer

with me at the table, jim walden. i want to start with you, director brennan.ed states of america's rule of law? >> well, nicole, i think the setbacks that donald trump and his organization around him have endured have been richly deserving. it is clear that throughout his lifetime donald trump has used every legal tactic and trick to try to avoid accountability and finally i think the legal system is catching up with him and i think he has sort of run out his string of good luck in terms of what he's been able to avoid. but i do think what is happening now on multiple fronts just clearly demonstrates that donald trump has not adhered to the rule of law whether it's in his business life or the political war. the signal that's being sent not just to trump but the broader constellation of interest, is that the rule of law is prevailing and sometimes it takes time, as they say, but the wheels of justice do grind on. >> joyce, to director brennan's point, they grind so slowly. they move so much more slowly than certainly the news cycles and of our politics. let me