how far about the culture of whether regular lating, being looked at, i mean, jim wallace has a new book out and he's calling for a dialogue literally on why do we have economics, management people like dr. demming used to say the purpose of business is to serve people and make money as a result. not to make money whether you're hurting people or helping people, so can you talk about the idea of getting at the culture of not just the regulators, but the culture of the organizations being regulated, and get them to look at maybe, it's literally anti-american, to make money by hurting people? >> i guess i would go two places. the first, which is kind of humerous, joseph stigletz was holding a panel last year and we were talking about the problem of values and he said rob, how do you get these speculators, like back on the track and i said well, they have to discould have me -- discover belief in the after life. they have to believe that somebody is going to measure them and there's something that matters and they can't escape detection or they can't buy their way in. i think the -- that's

this same question was put to jim jones yesterday on fox news sunday with chris wallace, jim jones works in the white house, he's head of national security. here's how he phrased it. >> isn't that bad? >> well, i think that what we have to make sure is we do the best we can. we're not going to be able to keep people confined for the rest of their lives without some sort of due process. we have been working with many countries to accept them back, we have rehabilitation programs that are in place, not only in different countries, and it's never going to be zero. bill: again, jim jones with fox news sunday and chris wallace. he made three points there. we can't keep detainees forever without some sort of due process eventually, it will never be zero, which is the point you made previously. >> right. bi-bill but the point in the middle about the rehab programs, we're hearing mixed reviews about whether a person goes to a rehab program in saudi arabia and whether or not they're converted, meaning to a life of innocence. do we know whether or not the rehab programs are working, kelly? >> they

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