on the other side, you mentioned figures like rick warren, bill highballs, jim wallace, russell lorders who have pushed back against part of this mythic development. what grow see as the future? >> yeah. first of all, yes, many, many books were read, and i do want to give my shout out to i had three university research assistants, students who e helped me with this, and they were phenomenal. there's no way this book could have been written in this way without their, their labor and insight. so, yeah, i'm glad you listed the variety of figures that we're talking about because all of evangelicalism, conservative white evangelicalism can't be reduced to militancy, right? you've got all kinds -- you've got russell moore, so this is where the story is, right? one of the things i kind of do throughout this book is kind of get a handle on who are we talking about, what is evangelicalism. i have a series of networks and alliances, and i'm always asking, you know, what is fringe here and what is mainstream? and sometimes people that are pretty sure that they are mainstream, like, christianity