speaker of the house newt gingrich and former director of central intelligence under jim clinton, jim woolsey as our coach here. we pulled together the best minds in this country, i think, on the vulnerabilities of the grid and what needs to be done to fix it. the military, as you know, jeanine, has been spending billions of do years hardening key parts of the military. so what do we use? surge protectors to protect the key things like these transformers that were nearly blown up in san jose. we use capacitors to shunt the surge around them and we could use physical cages or barriers to protect them as well. these are practical measures. we know how to do it. we've got to protect particularly these 2,000 other so transformers that truly are the critical component of our 21st century society survival. >> all right. frank gaffney, always great to hear your insight. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. >>> joining me, ray lahood who is joining us from peoria, illinois. secretary lahood, in your view, how vulnerable is the american power grid? >> well, i think the incidents that you've be