. >> congressman, you talked about, and i'd like to bring in jim woolsey, talk about the central point. there are suggestions that some government officials were pulled out of the coliseum at halftime in the soccer game, as congressman zeldin suggests, jim, there were security forces, law enforcement were more animated and certainly more of them on the scene in the hours leading up to this horrible tragedy. what do you make of that? >> sort of strange. maybe they had some kind of general indication from intelligence or from social media or otherwise that something might happen, but not enough that they thought they should proceed to shut the game down or whatever. i don't know. that does sound sort of odd. lou: congressman, what do you make of it? >> well, i mean, it's possible, spot-on, that maybe the intelligence wasn't specific enough, maybe they didn't want to cause any fear amongst their citizens, even though they saw a heightened risk. we experience this all of the time in the u.s. where law enforcement receives intelligence, we go on a heightened level of alert. it would just be

lou: senator, and if you would ambassador jim woolsey to address the issue of the fact that most of the people who migrated to france, who live in paris are sunni, predominantly sunni and presumably by both religion and culture closer to the islamic state than would be comfortable, i think for most people to contemplate. but the fact is they have set off hell tonight in paris and presumably their own are amongst the victims. lou: number one, jim woolsly is one of the foremost experts in the world about radical islam, i've been to iraq and afghanistan three to five times. most people are not buying what these guys are selling. the average sunni follower is not a radical islamist. please understand. they're the biggest victims of all are fellow muslims of the radical islamist movement. lou: jim, your thoughts? >> well, you don't need a majority or a substantial minority of a movement whether sunni or shia and germany in the 30s to create critical mass to take a country into fanaticism. lou: right. >> it happened in germany in the 30s. it is definitely happening within parts of the islamis

i want to bring in former cia director jim woolsey, coming up in just a moment.got to look at all the law enforcement agencies, what the cia is doing, what the fbi is doing to really have an overall consorted effort to see what we're dealing with at this point. >> absolutely. dagen: and i think it's-- what happened in paris and now this, and just the global fight on radical islamic terrorism has reignited the debate about surveillance in this country and talking about reauthorizing the metadata program by the nsa which congress killed earlier this year. that's going to become a hot political issue. it's the reauthorization of that phone number collection program, but also, what kind of access are the technology companies, if ever, going to give to law enforcement? these phones are encrypted and like-- like an iphone is encrypted. if you have a code on it. if this is apprehended in-- and a terror suspect has access to it, if they get their hands on it, law enforcement, there's no way to get into the phone. there's no way to access the data on this phone and will t

experts, bob horse smats our guest host much he's virus chairman at kissinger international and jim woolseyector of the cia. we talked off camera about the emdolden emboldened threat. paris attack puts a dagger through the heart of liberal europe. probably the most liberal individuals in france and germany at this point have moved to the right of the political spectrum based on this. >> that's right. we'll see this very quickly. the french are having regional elections in december and la penn will do very well. a lot of these right-wing parties will do very well. the problem with these right-wing parties is in addition to their very tough right-wing points of view generally, most of them are anti-american, most of them are ain anti-nato. most are complicit with putin. he has close connections with many of these parties. >> what does that mean? >> he's going to encourage these parties not to encourage nato to take a tougher line on areas line ukraine. putin may turn out to be an ally they need in syria to bring the syrian government around. so actually europe is going to move closer to putin