you're on with jim zirin.ler: high, it's great to see somebody -- hi, it's great to see somebody with your intelligence and nonbias or poe laret-- poe layerity on there to on uss this -- polarity there to discuss this. the fathers of our constitution meant for it to be indoor in that it just wasn't a static document. it was meant to be interpreted to fit the times. along those lines are we still having the madison-jefferson push and pull with states rights between the conservatives and liberals? guest: i think that's right. remember jefferson was not involved in the drafting of the constitution. he was over in france at the time. so it was mainly madison and hamilton, although washington and john jay, the first chief justice, put the oar in the water. i think the problem that they faced was they had to get a government. and in drafting a written constitution. and they realized there were many issues, notably the issue of race, which would have to be left for later day if they were going to get a constitution a

let's let jim zirin respond. >> guest: i don't know quite what the question was but i do agree that we have to make an effort in all our institutions and among our people to be more bipartisan to be more moderate and reach some consensus as at the to way forward. think otherwise it's hurting us around the world. talk about iran and how difficult it is to deal with. because there are two iran's, the moderated and the hards liners and iran must look at usi some say how difficult it is to deal if america because we have in the moderates with whom we concluded a nuclear treat and the harders in congress and some presidential candidate whose want to tear up the treaty. pre merritt garland and the candidates' potential nominees, all federal appellate court judges, would fit in the ideological spectrum compared with the current justices. it shows the current justices ideologically from clarence thomas, the most conservative, all the way down to ruth bader ginsburg ansonia sotomayor, the most liberal. most of the nominees put forth by donald trump appear toward the more conservative to more se