>> he was covering this. >> did you ask jimmy breslin. >> absolutely i asked jimmy breslin. >> why are you asking me? >> jimmy breslin -- interesting, no one ever said anything. no one thought this was new. meanwhile, they'd go out the next day and attack us, but none of these conversations were ever passed, and if they knew anybody -- again it was a very different era, but that didn't happen. >> just to give the viewer a sense of these months. so the congressman rodino knows what, october he's going to be running this. >> correct. >> so october, november and december, you and your brother. >> and anyone else we could get. >> running the search? >> correct. correct. and actually, the viewers won't see this but i showed you today one of the many files that has not been touched in 30 years, it was the file i kept of all the recommendations and research we found saying all of that out of just frustration, again to my older brother. one day he said, you know -- my brother worked for bob kennedy at one time. and he says, you know, there was -- he did not work in president kennedy's administ

i think about some of the stuff you wrote, billie jean king, jimmy breslin chasing joe namath.. it's harder to get to the high profile athletes. >> i can't remember the first time that i couldn't walk up to an athlete and say i want to do a story on you. at some point will was a manager or trainer or agent that intercreeded. >> we have to talk about the national. >> you achieved something remarkable. you burned through a lot of money as editor. how did this come together and how did it fail? >> it's a short story. it comes together because a guy in mexico who was then the richest man south of the ree owe grand wants to put out a daily sports newspaper. we burned through it because we paid big money to get people to come in. this was 1990. we couldn't beat the 20th century. >> you had trouble -- you tried to duoupdated box scores and get that delivered. >> everybody wanted it. this is before internet. i notice now when i go out, usa today used to have all the scores. now you can get it on the internet. >> we had a rot of fun. i don't think spiderman has lost that much. >> you g