jimmy carl son is one of the world's leading experts on self-driving cars. he's workeded at tesla, curiously at apple as well. and is now the vice president of out information at neo, a chinese car company. chinese answer to tesla. one of china's most legitimate challengers. we'll get to neo in a moment, but let's start with the question about self-driving cars. joined by martin at m.i.t, john of dow jones. what is neo's position on this? is this remove all of the stuff out of the dash or is is it keep it in this? >> well, there comes a time when you need to remoove move the safety driver. we believe in building a technology where we want to have a fully self-driving car. so our cars are still going to be steering wheels and brakes, but in order to be able to prove that car can drive safely, we need to enable our technology to a point where we can remove those. >> there is this, just just call it the uncanny valley, where they've gotten far enough ahead, but not so far. there's that magic point where you think is is it better to have the machine or the drive