joining me now with how these attacks changed wall street is jimmy dunn jimmy, welcome how are you?you let's remind people that a couple days after 9/11, people were wondering if this firm would survive. how did you make it? >> it was a very difficult time for everyone but the truth is we came together as a country. we had people from everywhere trying to help us, kelly and the reason we were successful was our clients stayed with us we had friends we had competitors everybody came together and made a real effort that we stayed in business so, we're very grateful every day. >> let's talk about the reporting that bertha just did about the next generation, the children who lost parents in 9/11 and how they followed in their parents' footsteps you guys have that first hand going on, don't you? >> yeah, well we -- you know, obviously each firm has a particular commitment to the children of the people, the mothers and fathers that they lost we've spent a lot of time a little more focused on getting them into colleges honestly. i think i know every head of admission at every college in th

i remember talking to jimmy dunn , at sandler o'neill, and he had no place to work and he came up to our offices and we set them up as a temporary office eventually into other space in our buildings and we all, all of the real estate community were trying to help the companies that lost their people and their offices find a place to establish themselves and regroup and figure out where to go, and i think it was a defining moment for the new york business community of a sense that there's a civic responsibility that when we're in crisis, there's an obligation to come and raise the bar as to what we're going to do to ensure that we can navigate this crisis , be there for everyone, no such thing as competition, we're all new yorkers, we're all americans , and we're going to figure this out together, and believe in the sense of resilience that we will get through it. liz: well we have to get through the pandemic as well. we now have what in lower manhattan 21% vacancy rates. what will it take to have a more sustainable comeback scott and where does the commercial real estate business com