jimmy kemp is president of the jack kemp foundation, but i want to begin with my friend charlie rangel. it's great to see you, sir, as always. you were in the thick of the whole issue of empowerment zones or enterprise zones, and you got it going in new york city. in fact, my wife's art studio is right smack up there in east harlem which is buzzing around with costco and target and all the rest of it. charlie, why can't we use this to help revitalize detroit? >> well, i'm so glad that jimmy's there and is making certain that the investment that his dad made in this country, it is still paying off, and it's paying off in my congressional district and districts around the country, but believe me, you can't compare what we had with detroit. first of all, these things on jack's idea and what president clinton signed into law, it means that the city, state and the federal government put in and show a plan, an investment plan as to what you intend to do. what the city intends to do, what the state intends to do and what the federal government, one-third and any political subdivision can canc