nelson mandela. ali velshi was there to attend to the passing of the leader. he talked to jimmy carter. >> i never heard him say he was grateful to the united states. he was grateful to cuba. he was grateful to others. that spoke up for him while he was still in prison. he was grateful to the people that condemned the apartheid regime but i don't think that he felt that his freedom and the change that took place in south africa was attributable to the united states. when i first met nelson mandela, the first thing he did was congratulate me on having a daughter, amy, who had been arrested three times in college, demonstrating against apartheid in south africa. but that was the demonstration period. when coca-cola and ibm and all other conglomerates were still doing business with apartheid, and there wassing demonstrations including my daughter, to the trade relationship apartheid regime, that was a minimal contribution i would say that was made in america. my daughter and a few others, college kids. it wasn't the top politicians. >> i've actually heard black south africans say t