but we have had six years since jimmy savile. .. the police? i am not saying that. for some people they will only feel there has been some sort of closure if they come forward to the police and give their story to the police and give their story to the police and give their story to the police. it may well be as a result of that no further action can be taken. but if they have their story listened to and i believe, they may have some kind of closure. but there are other groups that can give some support. let me bring in the national chair of the police federation. another thing sara thornton will say this morning is effectively a plea that misogyny should not become a hate crime. this is what she says. it is a concern for some well organised campaigning organisations and in july for some well organised campaigning organisations and injuly chiefs debated whether we should record such allegations even when no crime is committed. it was argued this information might be useful to highlight the issue, send a message about acceptable stan

—— jimmy savile encounter.ns, i was aware i had not answered to my satisfaction. so what i would add in addition is i think we all as a society have become so much more aware of how sexual abuse takes place, how people are victimised. and so for me that was a sort of lesson that i learned from it. and very often the people involved in being victimised may not even recognise themselves as victims. from the last five or six years, of what we have gone through, to me, that was maybe the main thing i took away. you didn't question your own ability, your skills of getting through to the real person? no. do you think i should? it's entirely up to you, i'm completely non—judgemental. to you, i'm completely non-judgemental. i feel i had a pretty good measure of him, but i will say... i will say when it came out, then the revelations came out i was shocked, you know, so in that way api agree with what you said, there was a part of me that old, how didi there was a part of me that old, how did i not see that? a question