and it was addressed by barack obama in a letter to karzai, which was handed out to jirga members.hey are now saying they may want to have that inside the security agreement. but beyond the jirga hall itself, the political crisis has ton about this security agreement as delegates are leaving after their day of debate today the head of the jirga was extremely anger in response to news recently that afghan hamid karzai said he will not sign it until after elections this next year if at paul. the members of the jirga were angry saying karzai had no right to say something like that and that it was not said in interest of afghanistan. now there may be an around this crisis. potentially instead of one signature from the president of afghanistan they may be able to substitute that for two senior members the signatures. what everyone is waiting for is karzai's closing speech tomorrow where he will explain if and why he would de play the signing of the agreement. it started the mood for this whole jirga from the beginning, and people will be watching closely to see if his closing speech con

, in the loya jirga behind me. he said that even in this bilateral agreement - the security pact with americans is given the approval of the jirga, and after that is given the approval by the parliament. it will not be signed until after the presidential election which are scheduled to be held in april next year. that caused a bit of confusion for a few hours after the speech, where people weren't getting clarity and whether he said or meant it, it's likely to come as a surprise to the americans that this security agreement could be signed as long as four or five months after they hoped it would be. so he is asking or told al jazeera that in the bilateral agreement it states that the americans must bring peace to afghanistan. he wants to elongate that up until the elections. he wants to see american forces bring peace here, it's likely to be a worded message, telling the americans to be tougher on pakistan in terms of the accusations there, of pakistan giving the taliban safe haifens and funding and training from a

by delaying you allows him to appear not to be a sell out. >> the jirga was not a loya jirga. it has thousands of years of history. this was a consultative jerka. that means he picked up every member of that jirga. people were not elected by their own constitwainses. they were picked up very cable. it was not a representative jirga from the afghan point of view. the second part, he is not in a hurry. he has to do it. he said many things before. but he is has gone over his word. you know, it is quite likely that, you know, enough is enough. he signed everything. he brought, you know, this consultative jirga and they said to him to go ahead and what's the problem, you know? this security agreement. is it likely peace can be achieved that soon. you have u.s. spaces long-term in afghanistan. >> exactly. before the americans and before karzi went to this project, they should have brought the armed opposition into it. there should have been peace before they greed on all of these basis. they haven't paid attention to the taliban. they brought them to doha, put them in a bungalow and

if the loya jirga agrees to a deal it will allow u.s. troops to remain in afghanistan behind 2014 deadline. they have rejected calls to sign an agreement before the end of the year. >> this is the last day for the delegates at the loya jirga to debate the security pact. as of tomorrow they are expected to give findings to their president hamid karzai, saying whether or not they support it or want changes or, of course they reject it. hamid karzai is involved in a row between kabul and washington d.c. about when he would sign this if the jirga and parliament approve it. he said he will not sign until after presidential elections. the u.s. are pushing for it to be signed by the end of this year. u.s. secretary of statery of defense released a statement saying he would not advise president obama to make a commitment post 2014 until an agreement is signed. afghan president hamid karzai released a statement accusing u.s. forces of raiding two houses in nangahar province, killing two innocent civilians. he said this gets to the heart of the bi

. >> we have agreed on language that would be submitted to the loya jirga, but they have to pass it. i think it is inappropriate for me to comment at all on any of the details. it is up to the people of afghanistan. >> john kerry there. for more on the agenda of that important meeting of afghan elders, this report from kabul. >> the delegates gathering for the grand afghan council, the becominga, are restless as they are waiting to see the terms of the deal. it is not just about the presence of u.s. troops. billions of dollars of aid and the presence of nato forces hang on the deal. president karzai has driven negotiations belong -- beyond the 11th hour, insisting the deal should future u.s. raids on afghan homes. optimists among the delegates believe the deal will be signed. >> the only thing which gives me high confidence and hope that this is not going to be a jirgae jurga, bur a bonding of the nations together, is that the stakes are high for both nations. abandoning a country strategically located as afghanistan, it will be committing the mistakes of the previous powers. >> ther

but beyond the jirga hall and debates, debate had a continued.s delegates were leaving the head of the jirga was extremely angry in response to news recently that afghan president hamid karzai said he would not sign this agreement until after elections next year, if he signs it at all. he was angry and said karzai had no right to make a decision like that, and if he did, it was not made in the interest of afghanistan. now another senior source has told al jazeera that there may be an away around this. they may able to substitute that with two senior government figures, and that could go com e way of resolving this argument. everyone is waiting for karzai's closing speech tomorrow where he will explain if and why he would delay signing this agreement. >> honduras will hold it's first election four years after a coup. it's been often described as the murder capitol of the year with corruption conditioned human ans abuses. adam rainey has more in hondur honduras. >> reporter: like many hondura hondurans, waiting for justice, he has come to the attor

he told the jirga tha that. at the end of the day hamid karzai left the jirga hall and said he needed more time and he would sign this when he was happy with it. he said afghanistan could get a better deal from america. he wouldn't say if he would sign it by the end of the year or by the elections next april. people here are left guessing what and when will be signed. it's likely that any negotiations that continue between washington, d.c. and the presidential palace are going to be friendly. >> tens of thousands of anti-government protestors have amassed in ban coul bancok. 2if the bill passed it could hae allowed the prime minister to return from exile. we have this update from bangkok. >> the organizers called it a mangmajor at that battle day. hundreds of thousands of people heard their call. they are saying there are four to eight kilometres of shoulder-to-shoulder crowds who turned up to encourage the ouster. what triggered the demonstration in particular over the last couple of weeks is the failure to pus

to prosecute these kinds of crimes i think the jirga may end up doing exactly the same thing question that now yeah in which case the u.s. will have to you know have to withdraw and the right wing in this country will say well you will have lost afghanistan we never should have been there in the beginning it was a fool's error error and i don't know what possessed. barack obama to heed the advice from those struggle to die it's very clear you know his generals are bobby gates yeah the search over stuff you know. that didn't work or a history that didn't work in iraq look what's happened a failure this was you know this was another search this was the one that they sold him to a surge into afghanistan and then saying see it's the same time but we're going to pull back out you know pull out i don't know what general thought that was a convincing strategy clearly and one of the sad things here is i can barry had it right he was a military he was a general. and he had spent years and years in afghanistan working with the afghans trying to train them and all and so he came in with his advi

they hoped the jirga and the parliament would approve the task. and then it would be a complication, a small matter of having it signed by hamid karzai. now we have two administrations with two different view points. the u.s. are saying it needs to be signed by the end of the year and hamid karzai saying it won't be signed at all before april. that will overshadow these negotiations at the jirga, which was meant to be about the draft. not about when it would be signed, but the issues here, interg afghan homes and milt -- interg afghan homes and military bases. on the first day of discussions everyone is talking about the fallout from hamid karzai's speech. >> there appears difficulties in hammering out the deal. what is on the agenda for today there? >> well, today, being the second day, it's actually really the first day of really getting down to looking at this draft deal. there are about 2,500 representatives present here. they are in the compound in the large hall behind me, down the hill, and now they are looking at the draft. they've been di

the loya jirga hall is meant to host 2,500 representatives from around afghanistan later next week, who will come to discuss the future of u.s. troops in the country. >> there has been a heavy security presence here for weeks. thousands of security forces have been deployed on to kabul's streets, trying to stop this happening next week. >> loya jirga hall gathers community leaders. it's an afghan way of making a decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for this bombing prefer to use their voice in a more direct, violent way. >> a bilateral security agreement was hammered out in cappual during a visit by -- kabul during a visit by secretary of state john kerry, but a final agreement is in the hands of the elders. >> the u.s. is in talks with libya to train 7,000 security force, according to the head of u.s. special operations demand, admiral william mc-craven. it could help armed groups fighting for control. violence continued on saturday when libyan soldiers stormed a militia base killing four. a day af

of state john kerry and afghan president hamid karzai reached the accord on the heels of the loya jirga or afghanistan's grand assembly however just today cars i said that he would delay signing the agreement until after the presidential elections in april twenty fourth team and with these negotiations one point of contention has been the number of criminal incidents which afghan civilians have been executed via night raids or drone strikes that kerry said an apology on behalf of the us for these instances is off the table if the security agreement is approved it will cement the notion that the war in afghanistan is far from over and it will extend well beyond the twenty fourteen deadline or bridgeman set by obama of course the u.s. has also promised to continue funding afghan security forces so if bin ladin dead for years and no clear goal of why the u.s. is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming in right welcome so ray what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and

. >> we called it a jirga. >> a jirga is a traditional tribal gathering. >> it's what people in that area use to settle their disputes. >> this is simply indiscriminate bombing! there are so many women and children killed. >> at one stage i came upon a young boy, tariq aziz. when i was talking to tariq, one of the first things that he did was he handed me his cousin's student id card. and as i looked at it i looked back at tariq and i noticed he was crying. he started to tell me the story of his cousin who had been killed from a drone strike. he'd come to the jirga primarily to inform us a little bit more about what had happened to his cousin to people in his local village and find out how to stop the killing. we sat together all day. we ate together at lunch time. we laughed together. we became friends. tariq was extremely intelligent and funny to be around. he had a nice sense of humor. he was fascinated by photography and intrigued by western music, mentioning artists and one that sprang to mind was lady gaga. he started to talk about drone strikes in his village, how he was unabl

he also told the loya jirga assembly on sunday, the u.s. needs to do more to stop raids on afghan homes. >> while we are ready to give basis for americans on our soil, we have a condition concerning security. security from today onwards, me meaning from now on american forces are banned from launching operations on afghan houses. >>reporter: >> for months, the u.s. and afghanistan have gone back and forth over the terms of u.s. military presence in the country after nato's pull-out in 2014. talks have focused on u.s. procedures for training and mentoring the national army for a final handover. afghanistan is still a dangerous place. just this week, a roadside bomb killed two children in the south and six policemen were found dead after being abducted by the taliban. the pentagon says more than $8,000,000,000 in assistance is in jeopardy if an agreement is not signed soon. >> joining us now to discuss the latest twist in the afghanistan story are ali akmed alagi, the interior minister from 2003 to 2005. david sedny, former deputy assistant m

as to the final language that the bilateral security agreement that will be placed before the loya jirga tomorrow. >> reporter: the loya jirga is a council of afghan elders and until the agreement is approved by them and the afghan parliament it's not a done deal. u.s. officials say there are two potential sticking points. one is president karzai's insistence american troops should never search or attack afghan homes. operations which in the past have resulted in the deaths of afghan civilians. but the u.s. wants the right to send in its own troops, for instance, to rescue a captured american soldier. for that, karzai wants a letter from president obama expressing regret for past civilian casualties and promising u.s. soldiers will only enter afghan homes under extraordinary circumstances. the second issue is immunity for u.s. troops from prosecution under afghan law. without it, the u.s. will pull all its troops out. but president karzai said last month he didn't even discuss immunity with kerry during their marathon negotiating sessions and would leave the entire issue up to the loya j

the afghan leader wants the deal on the table agreed to by the loya jirga, but he doesn't want to sign it. how is that going over the white house? >> he doesn't want to sign it. he wants to wait for elections next year, next airline in afghanistan. the white house, u.s. administration, the military, all say no way. that is a bad idea. you're right, president obama had written a letter to m hamid karzai, his counterpart in afghanistan, and president obama tried to follow through on the promise to end combat operations in afghanistan. now america's longest war. he wants to end those combat operations by the end of next year. to do it they have to have a basic security agreement. they call it a bsa. where will u.s. forces remain in afghanistan? what will their duties be? what kind of constraints are they going to be operating under, and how many rules and how many troops are going to be left? all this, the president said, in a letter to karzai, has been agreed. car guy says, not so fast. i'm not going to sign it. leave it for the next president. bad idea said the president, the white hous

and didn't show that today kerry was mousetrap and thinking how to deal karzai goes and tells the jirga look you know we have to vote on this and i'm not sure i trust the u.s. they don't trust me and so we're at all oral in this is what i can bury worried about that is what you have a reliable partner to work with you're up to this trick without a paddle and also you know that i can very said this way back in november november nine of number six of two thousand and nine he said you know i think that karzai would like to have us investment more freely in there because he thinks that the u.s. is just interested in in fighting it in eternal war on terror and permanent military bases to have influence in that immediate area well i can very had it exactly right karzai is acting that way it's an insoluble problem as long as the populace nani's play the game of feeding the insurgents to park their studies or are loyal allies of course and this whole question of of supply of the we used to call the. supply and the resupply of weapons you know they're becoming very difficult and the afghans have

after america entered the region thousands of delegates are gathering on thursday, known as the loya jirga. they'll accept or reject a security pact. u.s. forces that remain after next year will receive immunity from afghan courts - that was a key point. also - american forces will not target afghanistan civilians, including in their home. afghanistan will fund the forces. secretary of state john kerry clarified a key part of the deal. >> it is entirely train, equip and desist. there's no combat role for the american forces. the bilateral agreement is an effort to clarify for afghan and united states military force, exactly what the rules are with respect to the ongoing relationship. >> for many afghans the proposed security pact is having all the troops out. jane ferguson reports from kandahar. >> his family was murdered by an american soldier. this man lost his wife, brother, cousin and niece in kandahar province. killed by u.s. army staff sergeant robert bales. he now wants you will u.s. soldiers out of his country. >> translation: they will not get military bases. they killed our peopl

i was under pressure not to organise the loya jirga. when it comes to issues of national significance it is important to hold the jirgas. >> up to 15,000 troops could remain in the region if the security pact is signed, including 8,000-12,000 american troops. >> it is entirely train, equip and assist - there is no combat role for the united states force, and the bilateral security agreement is an effort to clarify for afghans and for united states military forces exactly what the rules are with respect to that ongoing relationship. >> here are the terms of the deal - u.s. forces that remain after next year receive immunity from afghan courts. that was a contentious issues. the proposal says the u.s. will respect afghan's sovereignty and integrity, but forbids american forces targetting afghan civilians, especially in their homes. many afghans oppose the deal, saying they want all foreign troops out. jane ferguson reports. >> his family was murdered by an american soldier. last march this man lost his wife, brother, cousin and niece in k

the loya jirga are talking over the agreement between the u.s. and afghan go. . if approved 15,000 troops will stay in afghanistan for 11 more years. as rosalind jordan reports, the go ahead from the elders does not mean a signature from afghanistan's president. >> the barack obama's nomination breathed a sigh of relief that the loya jirga was getting a first look at the draft bilateral security agreement. any reassurance that this is under review was undercut by comments made by hamid karzai on thursday. the concern - will the agreement be signed in time for the u.s. to move combat forces out of afghanistan and deploy another team in its place. america is concerned it won't have time to carry out the transition because it involves tens of thousands of troops, and support personnel. they want to make sure they have time to work out the lijistics and relations with the afghan military so it's a seamless transition. if hamid karzai gets his way, and the deal is not signed into law and enacted in afghanistan until the middle of 2014, the u.s. feels that creates a va

and i you know i doubt we're going to see approval in the loya jirga without some concessions by the united states probably knowledge but that the night raids policy was a mistaken policy it certainly was one that was never supported or indorse by the government of afghanistan it was carried out over the opposition of the government of afghanistan and that was a violation of their sovereignty but thank you so much for thank you so much for weighing in scott horton the contributing editor at harper's magazine great to be with you to syria now where hundreds of thousands of christians have fled the country since the beginning of the civil war there one to two thousand christians are believed to have been murdered in the violence perhaps one of the hardest hit areas is the historic town of ma lula that's non-science villages on the unesco list of proposed world heritage sites it is one of the last known places where western aramaic which is the language of jesus is still spoken the town has been attacked on numerous occasions since the war began and many have chosen to flee however syri

the loya jirga will debate through sunday. decisions are not legally binding, but, either way, the afghan parliament would still have to ratify the agreement. to help us understand this back around forth and the need for a deal is james dobbins, he is the obama administration's special representative to afghanistan and pakistan. ambassador dobbins, welcome to the newshour. >> thank you. >> so what is the timetable for this deal? president karzai is saying it wouldn't be signed until april. the administration wanted it done last month. which is it? >> well, the two sides agreed last november that we would do this within a year and we continue to believe it's important to achieve that timetable. we're pleased that we were able to reach agreement within that time frame on the text and we're hopeful that the loya jirga will give a positive signal. we're pretty confident that the afghan parliament will also review this and it will be positive and we do expect that it will be signed expeditiously thereafter. we think that's importan

and that the representatives travelling to the jirga should reject agreement with western armies, some have little faith. >> translation: these elders have not consulted ordinary people or talk with them about the issues. ordinariliry people are not aware of it. >> most of the kandaharies want foreign forces out of the afghanistan. they have seen some of the most brutal fighting of the past 12 years, and much less reconstruction and development. in other parts of the country opinion on the bilateral agreement are more diverse. >> in kondos some are mindful that a lack of foreign troops could lead afghan forces more vulnerable than ever. >> if foreigners leave the country, we'll be least behind. if they stay in the country, they'll help us. they are good for the security of afghanistan. >> head north and residents remind us of the international politics at work. >> this agreement is not in the benefit of afghanistan. america wants afghanistan to be equality. we are their colony. they want military bases to have authority in the region. >> across the country opinions on the security agre

the loya jirga, a gathering of afghan representatives was in favour of the security pact with the u.s., wanting it signed. that was in relation to president hamid karzai's announcement that he would not sign until april. sunday he stuck to his position that he needed more time to get a better deal from washington. that didn't satisfy the head of the jirga, the drama playing out on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral document. they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe, peace will come. it will not be a case of americans sitting in their place and we'll have a war. i don't accept that. this decision is historical. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter afghan houses. they have given us that in writing and promised. a superpower cannot break their promise. if they do we are ready to protest. >> translation: sir, no protests. termina terminating the bilateral, they have to promise they are not killing afghans in their houses. they have

the loya jirga gather community leaders, an afghanistan way of making a decision about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for the bombing prefer to use their voice in a direct, violent way. >> soldiers in libya stormed a militia base sparking fighting that killed four. that was as thousands gathered in the protest and many were killed by protesters yesterday. sebastian walker reports from tripoli. >> this is how a militia group responded to a protest demanding fighters get out of the city. demonstrators were attacked as they marched to the headquarters of the misrata brigade - one of libya's many militia groups. >> translation: these are the conditions of war, not a peaceful protest. and this is the result - blood. >> fighting broke out among different armed groups. and by the end of the confrontation, more than 30 people had been killed. >> i saw scenes of chaos at the hospital - both in front of the hospital, with lots of militia and armed men trying to divert traffic, and the same scene was reflected inside the hospita

lawyer jirgas gather and they make a major decision, in which case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for this bombing prefer to their use in a more direct, violent way. jane ferguson, al jazeera, kabul, afghanistan. >>> now to our nation's capital. white house officials scramble to fix problems with the healthcare.gov website, they're new criticisms. >> new challenges for the law, not only are republicans relentless in the cripple. >> so far his attempt to transform a headlight care is not has not been pretty. >> reporter: now the president is faced with the revolt from members of his own party. friday, 39 democrats jumped ship supporting a gop plan that would allow americans whose health plans have been canceled to keep their policies for an additional year. the bill also allows insurance companies to continue selling plans that do not meet the new guidelines for one more year. the white house says the legislation weakens its health care law. >> this went on the floor today really takes the cake beca

to prosecute these kinds of crimes i think the jirga may end up doing exactly the same thing question that now yeah in which case the u.s. will have to you know have to withdraw and you know the right wing in this country is saying well you will have lost afghanistan we never should have been there in the beginning it was a fool's error error and i don't know what possessed. barack obama to heed the advice from those struggle to die it's very clear you know his generals are bobby gates yeah the search over stuff you know. that didn't work or a history that didn't work in iraq look what's happened a failure this was you know this was another search this was the one that they sold him to surge into afghanistan and then saying see it's the same time but we're going to pull back you know pull out well i don't know what general thought that was or convincing strategy clearly and one of the sad things here is i can barry had it right he was a military he was a general let's have a general and he had spent years and years and afghanistan working with the afghans trying to train them and all

. >> the president's speech opening the loya jirga was long awaited and anticipated. no one was sure how he would sell the various points. but no one, was expecting that he would make a surprise announcement, saying that he may not sign ill until well into 2014. leaving this loya jirga aware that whether or not they agree to support the agreement, it is unlikely to become law for some time yet. >> at the end of the day, delicates from the jirga were still discussing his speech, some were cynical of his intentions, refusing to sign the packet before 2014, would continue to give him power over the elections. >> he letly understand this issue, but he doesn't have other chances to put this responsibility, at least old would keep it until the election, and the days of the conclusion of the election, and the result of the election. >> why do you think this is doing this? >> because it i caczar. he knows the election, is very crucial. karzai has read out a letter, guaranteeing they would only search afghan houses in exceptional houses. it has a psychological impact, that the

air force lieutenant colonel karen cattell skin she says the one key part of the deal the loya jirga council will never agree to. i think that they won't approve it as written number one and i also don't think the parliament which also must approve the deal will approve it as written and of course remember from iraq that was the sticking point in iraq jurisdiction over abuses in criminal acts conducted by american soldiers in the country itself so that's a huge problem it's a it's a sovereignty it's a clear sovereignty issue and it does galvanize people so i don't believe that the loya jirga or the parliament later will approve that aspect of the life here in moscow within twenty four hours a day coming up this hour first steps to freedom some of the failed greenpeace activists so you reunited with their loved ones while the destiny for the rest of the optics. still hangs in the balance a special report on the oil platform storming case just ahead. the first e.u. states are on their way to launching the drone program that's off the leading members of the bloc signed an agreement to i

i think because the loyal jirga was about to meet in afghanistan, i think the net work was wanting also to sort of target them. the u.s., despite the fact that pakistan has been at least in public protesting the government and also the opposition political parties in pakistan against the use of drones was compelled in a way to strike a drone and kill these people. >> how much do this do you think it will have done, general, to the network with with the number of attacks that have been made on it in the last few weeks? how difficult will it be now for it to operate? >> well, i think it's becoming more and more difficult for them, they are tightening them in every way and even if they think they come to the settled areas, they are being chased, so to that extended, i think they are on the defensive, and they are not in a position to launch major attacks if so much pressure continues on them. obviously if they lose their leadership, it's a great loss to them and takes sometime before one recovers if the leadership is killed. >> there are an awful lot of people in pakistan, not just the pol

loya jirga hall gather community leaders. it's an afghan way of making a major decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for this bombing prefer to use their voice in a more direct violent way. >> meanwhile the u.s. is in talks with libya to train up to 7,000 security forces. according to "the wall street journal" the head of command, admiral william mcraven said there was promise and risk. it was a violent day in tripoli after libyan soldiers stormed a militia base killing four people. >> now to the philippines. craig leeson is standing by in cebu. are you with us this morning? >> yes, i'm standing here at the philippine airbase in cebu. we are watching all day the refugees from this disaster streaming in, and further afeed gaahn on the east coast, some of the u.s. navy personnel flying helicopters into that area have been evacuating people from the islands into geahn and taking relief aid into there. the problem has been, particularly for the government, where to put the people when they

jirga or the parliament is going to be very happy with the lack of immunity you know the immunity of the american soldiers they're not going to like that much in the way that iraq did not like that in fact that was the cause of our troops leaving on time as it were from iraq so as a u.s. military air force veteran how important is an unity for troops well from an american perspective it's incredibly important ok we mistakes happen and the things that the habit of war the habit of urban warfare in particular the use of drones this is not something that it's a can of worms really we don't want our people exposed we work very hard and have for decades to protect our people from when they're deployed around the world to protect them from the legal systems in the country in which they're deployed this is a habit on our on the on the american side it is to protect our troops and it is to protect our political leaders as well. but from the perspective of the afghans or any any other country that has american troops there as we've seen in the case of japan in the past several years it is ver

the loya jirga will take place in kabul to debate the future of such bases in the county. people like this shopkeeper in the city want them gone. >> translation: thanks to god we are muslims. the americans - everyone knows who they are. no islamic country wants to give a place for infidels - especially afghans and pash tunes don't want to give them bases. >> several representatives traving to the jirga should reject agreement. some have little faith in those going to the capital. >> translation: these elders have not consulted people. they didn't talk about the issues. ordinary people are not aware of it. >> most of the kandaharis we spoke to want foreign forces out of the afghanistan. they have seen some of the most brutal fighting here of past 12 years and much less restriction and development. in other parts of country opinions on the bilateral security agreement are diverse. in kunduz some are mindful that a lack of troops could leave afghan forces more vulnerable than ever. >> if the agreement to sign is go. if foreigners leave we'll be left behind. if they stay they'

that didn't stay the head of the jirga and the drama on stage played out live on tv. >> translation: want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral documents. they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe and peace will come. it will not be a case of americans sitting in their base and then we have a war in our country. i will not accept that. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter afghan houses. they have given that to us in writing and promise. a super power cannot break their promise. if they do, we are ready to protest. >> translation: sir, no protests. terminating the bilateral, they have to promise they are not dilling afghans in their houses. they have to do that. >> translation: okay, all right. then sign this first. if they break the promise, then we know what to do. >> translation: no, first they have to prove it. you sign it. if you don't sign, we'll be upset and leave until the issue is settled. >> hamid karzai's opposition says delay tactics come from a d

that didn't satisfy the head of the jirga and the drama on stage played out live on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat aga aamericans a -- again americans cannot go into a house. they can't go into our houses. it's not a case of them sitting in their bases and then we have a war in our country. this is historical. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter afghan houses. they have given that in writing and promised. a super power cannot break their promise. if they do, we are ready to protest. >> translation: sir, no protests. terminating the bilateral - they have to promise they are not killing afghans in their houses. they have to do that. >> translation: okay, all right. then sign this. >> translation: if they break the promise, we know what to do. trance >> translation: no, sign it, if you don't sign it we'll be upset and leave. sign it so we settle the issue. >> hamid karzai's opposition says it's about control of the elections. >> it's not about the articles in the bilateral agreement, including security or jurisdiction.

the loya jirga was overwhelmingly in favour with the security pact with the us, and wanted it signed immediately. >> that was in reference to hamid karzai's announcement that he won't sign the deal until after elections, on sunday he stuck to his position that he needed more time to get a better deal from washington. that didn't satisfy the head of the jirga, and the drama on stage played out live on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral documents, they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe. it will not be a case of americans in their bases then we have a war in our country. i don't accept that. this decision will be historical. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter african houses, they have given that to us in writing. they promise a superpower cannot break their promise. if they do, we are ready to protest of the >> translation: sir, no protests. terminating the bilateral, they have to promise that they are not killing afghans in t

loya jirga holl gathered leaders, an afghan way of making a decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. >> those responsible for the bombing prefer to use their voice in a direct violent way. >> libyan soldiers stormed militia, sparking fighting that killed four, as thousands gathered in tripoli no mourn 43 protestors killed by militia yesterday. the prime minister ali zeidan demanded the fighters leave the capital, which they refused to do. sebastian walker has more from tripoli. >> this is how a militia group in tripoli responded to a protest demanding its fighters get out of the city. the demonstrators were attacked as they marched towards the hours of the misrata brigade. one of libya's many militia groups. >> these are the conditions of war, not a peaceful protest. this is the result - blood. >> fighting broke out among different armed groups. and by the end of the confrontation more than 30 people had been kill. >> i saw scenes of chaos at the hospital - both in front of the hospital