jo hamilton, convicted by the post office, but later cleared on her way into parliament.bugs and errors in the system, and we did help the post office in their prosecutions. and then there�*s the bill for compensation. is there a moral obligation, mr patterson, for you to contribute? i think there is a moral obligation for the company to contribute. for the company to contribute, and i think the right place to determine that is when our responsibility is very clear. he confirmed there were problems from the start and the post office was told. did we take that information and share it with the post office? yes, we did. how the post office then chose to use that information in their prosecutions is entirely on the post office�*s side. but he was less clear about what fujitsu knew and when. you knew that there was glitches in the system. why did you sit back and do absolutely nothing about it? i don�*t know. i really don�*t know. and on a personal level, i wish i did know. questions, too, for the ceo of the post office, nick reid, who started in 2019. have you seen any evide

jo hamilton, convicted by the post office, but later cleared on her way into parliament. faulty software is finally talking — paul patterson from fujitsu, which has stayed largely silent until now. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in this appalling miscarriage of justice. we were involved from the very start. we did have bugs and errors in the system, and we did help the post office in their prosecutions. and then there's the bill for compensation. is there a moral obligation, mr patterson, for you to contribute? i think there is a moral obligation for the company to contribute, and i think the right place to determine that is when our responsibility is very clear. he confirmed there were problems from the start and the post office was told. did we take that information and share it with the post office? yes, we did. how the post office then chose to use that information in their prosecutions is entirely on the post office's side. but he was less clear about what fujitsu knew and when. you knew that there was glitches in the system. why did you sit back and do

jo hamilton was watching it all right behind them.did say he was going to cough up. yeah, yeah, yeah. ish. yeah. so that's good news. it's good news for the taxpayer anyway, isn't it? but we just need this fast tracked. the post office minister told mps he's hoping to have compensation sorted by the end of the summer. the pressure is on to deliver that. more than 200 new potential victims have now come forward as the true scale of this scandal is still being revealed. in davos, the global boss of fujitsu has just made his first public comments on the scandal to the bbc. would you like to apologise? yeah. — yes, of course, of course. fujitsu has apologised. fujitsu is taking it seriously, he says. his company under real scrutiny now. emma simpson, bbc news. well, the hundreds of subpostmasters who've had their lives turned upside down by the post office scandal have waited for years to hear from fujitsu, the company that installed the faulty software. colletta smith spent the day with one of them. it did have bugs and errors in the sys

jo hamilton, the sub—postmistress portrayed in the recent itv drama, has played a key role in the fighty, and... ..erm, and ijust couldn't explain it. the whole thing was crazy. and two days later, a powerful committee of mps promised they'd investigate. we will be launching an inquiry next week to try and get some answers, and to try and get some justice for people like seema and jo, but hundreds of others in the same position. that was four years ago. do you remember how you felt when the announcement of the mps' inquiry was made live on breakfast? wow, it's so exciting. at least somebody somewhere is taking it seriously, you know, which, up until then nobody was really listening. that mps' inquiry led to the bigger public inquiry that resumes today. a statutory public inquiry like this one is a big deal. it has the full backing of the law to make witnesses attend and face questions, even if they don't want to. it can't punish anyone, but it can point the finger where it thinks people and organisations have failed or acted badly. and ultimately, it's about getting to the truth of what

it came up, obviously, in the drama, jo hamilton askeditin obviously, in the drama, jo hamilton askedomething? 57,500. you borrowed from relatives? yes. that went into i from relatives? yes. that went into post office — from relatives? yes. that went into post office profits, _ from relatives? yes. that went into post office profits, which _ from relatives? yes. that went into post office profits, which is - from relatives? yes. that went into post office profits, which is owned | post office profits, which is owned by the government, is owned by the taxpayer, the taxpayer will now be paying your conversation, it's not like perversely, it finished up in my pocket and taxpayers, as reduction in my pocket and taxpayers, as reduction— reduction in the rosses that would make losses _ reduction in the rosses that would make losses or _ reduction in the rosses that would make losses or increase _ reduction in the rosses that would make losses or increase in - reduction in the rosses that would make losses or increase in the - make losses or increase in the profits — make losses or increase

jo _ hamilton, x postmistress. thank you ve much hamilton, x postmistress.y compensation for these wrongly convicted sub—postmasters and some of the very broad impact it has had on their lives, notjust their individual lives but those of their spouses, the stress it has caused for their children and also family relationships where for example parents of sub—postmasters may not have believed their children, that they had not defrauded the post office. so this is a very long running difficulty, of course, that has been faced in the uk with the post office and we are later to hear a little bit from fujitsu, which supplied the software for these sub—postmasters which was problematic and was registering revenues that infect where fictitious customer let's go back to the inquiry. and i know that is painfully slow. they— and i know that is painfully slow. they have — and i know that is painfully slow. they have do literally drill into the minute details of everything they think you might be claiming. it is almost _ they think you might be claiming. it is almost lik

jo hamilton�*s story was central to the itv drama. a distraction from the real thing. it's the dead cat strategy. and i think it's designed to make it look like the department, the business department, is being proactive and listening to the postmasters, but actually they're not. but the business secretary did hint that further personnel moves could follow. one labour mp who�*s long campaigned on the issue says root and branch reform is needed. i hope this is the start of wider change. clearly nick reed, the chief executive, needs to go and we need now an open and honest culture which is not there at the post office at the moment. today, the post office said it�*s fully cooperating with the horizon public inquiry and is making changes so the issues of the past cannot be repeated. questions about this sacking will rumble on. why now? who might go next? and who might now be brought in, tasked with delivering a resolution to this scandal and a proper turnaround at one of britain�*s oldest institutions? mark ashdown, bbc news. protesters

in fact, as told in a tv drama this month, false evidence had been used to prosecute people like jo hamiltonut? do we live in a democracy or don't we? you know, and they've done some terrible things to people. why they didn't just tell the truth and sort it out then, i do not know. to mps who've campaigned for subpostmasters it again proves what they've long suspected. this was a government organisation being overseen by government representatives, and it's the government that has to take responsibility for everything that went wrong. it's a distinctly corrupt, murky story that goes right the way into government and it's deeply worrying. we contacted alice perkins and paula vennells, but didn't receive a response. richard callard and the government declined to comment while the inquiry was ongoing. the post office also declined to comment. andy verity, bbc news. the attorney general is considering whetherjudges should review the sentence of a man who killed three people in nottingham last year. valdo calocane fatally stabbed grace o'malley—kumar, barnaby webber and ian coates — and tried to

jo hamilton's story was central to the recent itv drama — she was falsely accused of stealing £36,000office she ran in hampshire. in the meantime, you'll need to make good the loss. i haven't got that money! her conviction has now been quashed, but she's still angry that so many are still waiting forjustice. to know my conviction�*s quashed and to keep the promise to my parents — who didn't live to see it, sadly — that i would never give up until i overturned my conviction... and, yeah, it's amazing. it also opens doors to compensation, as well, which is life—changing. jo is among more than 700 post office managers convicted over a 16—year period from 1999 — faulty software in the horizon it system was to blame — but to overturn convictions, each and every person still has to appeal directly to the post office and prove their innocence. well, if you meet the victims and how traumatised and broken they are, you can understand why they don't want to go anywhere near a court. so therefore the government need to come up with a solution which expunges these convictions and restores these p

jo hamilton, convicted by the post office but later cleared, on her way into parliament.mpany behind the faulty software is finally talking. paul patterson from fujitsu, which has stayed largely silent until now. jo was right behind him, as he began. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in this appalling miscarriage of justice. we were involved from the very start. we did have bugs and errors in the system, and we did help the post office in their prosecutions. he admitted there were problems when the software was rolled out, and that the post office was told. did we take that information and share it with the post office? yes, we did. how the post office then chose to use that information in their prosecutions is entirely on the post office's side. but he didn't answer some of the key questions. you knew that there were glitches in the system. why did you sit back and do absolutely nothing about it? i don't know. i really don't know. and, on a personal level, i wish i did know. and then there is the bill for compensation. is there a moral obligation, mr patterson

jo hamilton's prosecution for huge losses in her post 0ffice branch account. i've declared my cash.ay, who's had quite a week seeing her darkest moments broadcast to the country. i haven't got that money, and i don't know where it's gone. she'd no idea the faulty horizon computer system was to blame. jo pleaded guilty to false accounting to avoid jail. it wasjust basically fighting for survival. i did, at one point, i had about ten cleaning jobs on the go, trying to keep the mortgage paid. and it really is a true story. yeah, i don't think the public realise just quite what we've all been through. what do you hope the impact of this drama will be? the public are behind us now, and i think if there's enough outrage out there, i mean, it may become an election issue. who knows? it was a question for the prime minister today. it's important that all. those who suffered get the justice they deserve. and that's why we have set up three different compensation schemes. i we've paid out almost £150 million to over 2,500 people, _ and we're keen to work through that as quickly as possible. _

jo hamilton's story was central to the recent itv drama — she was falsely accused of stealing £36,000 the loss. i haven't got that money! her conviction has now been quashed, but she's still angry that so many are still waiting forjustice. to know my conviction's quashed and to keep the promise to my parents — who didn't live to see it, sadly — that i would never give up until i overturned my conviction... and, yeah, it's amazing. it also opens doors to compensation, as well, which is life—changing. jo is among more than 700 post office managers convicted over a 16—year period from 1999 — faulty software in the horizon it system was to blame — but to overturn convictions, each and every person still has to appeal directly to the post office and prove their innocence. well, if you meet the victims and how traumatised and broken they are, you can understand why they don't want to go anywhere near a court. so therefore the government need to come up with a solution which expunges these convictions and restores these people's reputations. one suggestion is to remove the post office from t

jo hamilton's story was central to the itv drama.t's the dead cat strategy. and i think it's designed to make it look like the department, the business department, is being proactive and listening to the postmasters, but actually they're not. but the business secretary did hint that further personnel moves could follow. one labour mp who's long campaigned on the issue says root and branch reform is needed. i hope this is the start of wider change. clearly nick reed, the chief executive, needs to go and we need now an open and honest culture which is not there at the post office at the moment. today, the post office said it's fully cooperating with the horizon public inquiry and is making changes so the issues of the past cannot be repeated. questions about this sacking will rumble on. why now? who might go next? and who might now be brought in, tasked with delivering a resolution to this scandal and a proper turnaround at one of britain's oldest institutions? mark ashdown, bbc news. hundreds of thousands of people across germany have

jo hamilton's prosecution for huge losses in her post office branch account. i've declared my cash.r darkest moments broadcast to the country. i haven't got that money, and i don't know where it's gone! she'd no idea the faulty horizon computer system was to blame. jo pleaded guilty to false accounting to avoid jail. it wasjust basically fighting for survival. raid... — at one point, i had about ten cleaning jobs on the go, trying to keep the mortgage paid. and it really is a true story. yeah, i don't think the public realise just quite what we've all been through. what do you hope the impact of this drama will be? the public are behind us now, and i think if there's enough outrage out there, i mean, it may become an election issue. who knows? it was a question for the prime minister today. it's important that all those| who suffered get the justice they deserve, and that's why. we have set up three different compensation schemes. we've paid out almost £150 million to over 2,500 people, _ and we're keen to work through that as quickly as possible. _ this isjo's old village shop, whi

jo hamilton's prosecution for huge losses in her post office branch account. i've declared my cash.day, who's had quite a week seeing her darkest moments broadcast to the country. i haven't got that money, and i don't know where it's gone! she'd no idea the faulty horizon computer system was to blame. jo pleaded guilty to false accounting to avoid jail. it wasjust basically fighting for survival. i did, at one point, i had about ten cleaning jobs on the go, trying to keep the mortgage paid. and it really is a true story. yeah, i don't think the public realise just quite what we've all been through. what do you hope the impact of this drama will be? the public are behind us now, and i think if there's enough outrage out there, i mean, it may become an election issue. who knows? it was a question for the prime minister today. it's important that all. those who suffered get the justice they deserve. and that's why we have set up three different compensation schemes. i we've paid out almost £150 million to over 2500 people, _ and we're keen to work through that as quickly as possible. _

there wasn't much i felt i could do because jo hamilton had pleaded guilty , so she obviously pleadedshe obviously couldn't appeal . um, but then couldn't appeal. um, but then subsequently we david bristow's replacement as sub postmaster in odiham was himself removed for exactly the same reasons. and i thought this is absurd. this is clearly not a coincidence. it is a systemic issue that we've got to deal with. so at that stage , to deal with. so at that stage, having written previously to the minister and got a reply by saying, sorry, it's an arm's length organisation, not not us govt, don't, don't trouble me with it. uh, i then wrote again to the minister, but i also wrote to all the mps to say, do you have a similar sort of problem and a number of them came back and said, yes, we do. >> and so a pattern began to emerge . and at this point you emerge. and at this point you set cross—party group to set up a cross—party group to really about getting really set about getting your teeth trying to teeth into this and trying to get justice done. >> yes. uh , a couple of us >> yes. and uh,

so then why do | one of these people who have been delivering your mouse trusted brand, jo hamilton,ng held to her head. it is felt as if a financial gun was being held to her head.— held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious _ held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment - held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment i - held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment i would | held to her head. it is appalling, - is the obvious comment i would make. i is the obvious comment i would make. i have _ is the obvious comment i would make. i have enormous sympathy for what she went _ i have enormous sympathy for what she went through. we have all this into what— she went through. we have all this into what has occurred in the inquiry— into what has occurred in the inquiry at _ into what has occurred in the inquiry at the evidence gathered occurred — inquiry at the evidence gathered occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well— occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well as — occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well as the evidence provided b

in fact, as told in a tv drama this month, false evidence had been used to prosecute people like jo hamiltones what they've long suspected. this was a government organisation being overseen by government representatives, and it's the government that has to take responsibility for everything that went wrong. it's a distinctly corrupt, murky story that goes right the way into government and it's deeply worrying. we contacted alice perkins and paula vennells, but didn't receive a response. richard callard and the government declined to comment while the inquiry was ongoing. the post office also declined to comment. andy verity, bbc news. asi as i was saying, plenty more on that icj ruling at the hague in a moment. worth saying, the us state department spokesperson has just said the us continues to believe the allegations of genocide against israel are unfounded, so more on that. our main story. and that is after the latest round—up of weather with darren. hello there. for many parts of the country it's been a dry and sunny day today. still some rather brisk winds in places. we had some gusty wi

jo hamilton's story was central to the itv drama.ed to make it look like the department, the business department, is being proactive and listening to the postmasters. but, actually, they're not. but the business secretary did hint that further personnel moves could follow. one labour mp who's long campaigned on the issue says root and branch reform is needed. i hope this is the start of wider change. clearly, nick read, the chief executive, needs to go, and we need now an open and honest culture which is not there at the post office at the moment. the post office said it continues to make changes so the issues of the past cannot be repeated and said it continues to cooperate with the public inquiry. questions about this sacking will rumble on. why now? who might be next? and who might now be tasked with ensuring the post office runs effectively and justice is finally served for those who've suffered for 20 years? marc ashdown, bbc news. labour has suspended mp kate osamor from the parliamentary labour party pending an investigation.

in fact, as told in a tv drama this month, false evidence had been used to prosecute people like jo hamiltondemocracy or don't we? you know, and they've done some terrible things to people, why they didn't just tell the truth and sort it out then, i do not know. to mps who've campaigned for subpostmasters it again proves what they've long suspected. this was a government organisation being overseen by government representatives and it's the government that has to take responsibility for everything that went wrong. it's a distinctly corrupt, murky story that goes right the way into government and it's deeply worrying. we contacted alice perkins and paula vennells, but didn't receive a response. richard callard and the government declined to comment while the inquiry was ongoing. the post office also declined to comment. andy verity, bbc news. the us state of alabama has executed convicted murderer kenneth smith with nitrogen gas, the first time the method has been used in the us. david willis joins us from los angeles. david, why has this execution been so controversial? kenneth smith was dec

jo hamilton it is see her clear. jo hamilton it is isn't it. yeah. that's right.astly. um you see, prince william , um, if and when prince william, um, if and when he becomes king, he could , um, he becomes king, he could, um, sever ties with the church of england so he could become the first british monarch to break official ties with the church of england . and does that does that england. and does that does that concern anybody at all? could they! concern anybody at all? could they i mean, yeah, this this is a story in the mail and it's talking about it's basically this is a discussion in the journalist robert hardman's new biography of charles the third. >> and he was saying that, um, prince william is very representative of his generation. and that he's not really a regular churchgoer . and really a regular churchgoer. and they they speculate, they sort of, they speculate, could he break with the could he break ties with the church england ? i think it's church of england? i think it's unlikely. that he seems unlikely. yeah. that he seems very conventional to

jo hamilton was wrongly convicted of stealing £36,000.nything because it was actually down to deficiencies in fujitsu's horizon it system, "truly sorry" may not be enough. we'll ask a former subpostmaster who was with us last week and is back tonight to tell you what he thinks in just a moment. first here's sima with a recap on today's evidence before both the business select committee and the public inquiry. yes, so it was quite the day for fujitsu. finally, after days of coverage of the post office scandal, we heard today from two bosses ? the company's europe chief executive, paul patterson. he spoke to the business select committee and was candid, to say the least, saying sorry for the company's part in the scandal and pain it's all caused, and admitting it provided evidence to the post office to prosecute hundreds of innocent sub—postmasters. iam i am personally appalled by the evidence that i have seen and what i saw on the television drama and the statements i've seen from the victims to the inquiry so we did not stand up to that i

jo hamilton, the sub—postmistress portrayed in the recent itv drama, has played a key role in the fightshe told bbc breakfast her story back in march 2020. 1a times i had to plead guilty. you just wanted to scream. i'd been told that i had to look like i was sorry, and... ..erm, and ijust couldn't explain it. the whole thing was crazy. and two days later, a powerful committee of mps promised they'd investigate. we will be launching an inquiry next week to try and get some answers, and to try and get some justice for people like seema and jo, but hundreds of others in the same position. that was four years ago. do you remember how you felt when the announcement of the mps' inquiry was made live on breakfast? wow, it's so exciting. at least somebody somewhere is taking it seriously, you know, which, up until then nobody was really listening. that mps' inquiry led to the bigger public inquiry that resumes today. a statutory public inquiry like this one is a big deal. it has the full backing of the law to make witnesses attend and face questions, even if they don't want to. it can't punish

jo hamilton's story was central to the recent itv drama — she was falsely accused of stealing £36,000lage post office she ran in hampshire. in the meantime, you'll need to make good the loss. i haven't got that money! her conviction has now been quashed, but she's still angry that so many are still waiting forjustice. to know my conviction�*s quashed and to keep the promise to my parents — who didn't live to see it, sadly — that i would never give up until i overturned my conviction... and, yeah, it's amazing. it also opens doors to compensation, as well, which is life—changing. jo is among more than 700 post office managers convicted over a 16—year period from 1999 — faulty software in the horizon it system was to blame — but to overturn convictions, each and every person still has to appeal directly to the post office and prove their innocence. well, if you meet the victims and how traumatised and broken they are, you can understand why they don't want to go anywhere near a court. so therefore the government need to come up with a solution which expunges these convictions and restor

be bringing you that live , we'll be bringing you that live, as were the former subpostmistress jo hamiltonplayed by monica dolan , in that played by monica dolan, in that tv drama. >> mr bates versus the post office. she was accused of stealing £36,000 by the post . stealing £36,000 by the post. she pleaded guilty in 2008 to false accounting , so lawyers false accounting, so lawyers told her otherwise she could go told her otherwise she could go to prison. her conviction was eventually quashed in 2021. she'll be talking to. >> that's right. we're going to be taking that live about 10:00. these are two of the main protagonists, of course, from this which been protagonists, of course, from thisover which been protagonists, of course, from thisover the which been protagonists, of course, from thisover the place :h been protagonists, of course, from thisover the place in been protagonists, of course, from thisover the place in the been protagonists, of course, from thisover the place in the last] all over the place in the last few weeks. we're going be few weeks. we're going to be heanng few w

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