jo: coming up, another kind of war, a on cerin kinds of speech. even thoughtho >> whenever i hear about a hate crime, i a shocked and saened. >> i give a damn, do you? jo: i give damn, i am horrified when people are victimized. on the sface i shod be glad that america wages a war on hate. an that is how is ithould be says paul, w runs fighting discrimination program at a drop called human rights fst, but jimmy,ounder of go proud, a republican gay advocacy group, says that hate crime laws are not useful. how can you say that? you have been a victim? hav >> absolutely, i was on a bike a year ago, a g cameout in to street,n a pack of kids he punched me a called me a anti-gay name. i was reaching for my phone, and one of thetherids, asked him, is he going for a gun, i let them think that. it was that thought that i might have a weapon that turned the tide. and prevented me from being a victim of a horrible crime. john: whyot more proct with hate crime laws? >> well, i just tony think there is -- don't think there is evidence they are preventing crimes beforehey happen. we need to focus on that, we can't ignore fact that certain segments of the populationre targets of violent crime simply for who they are. we need to come up with ways to help prevent people from becoming victims of crime, rather than giving them a false sense of ecurity that there is a law. >> i would like to jump in, i don't believe that hate cme laws are the sold answer to hate crime, i think we're in grime, first mn -- in agreement that violent attacks that target people because ofheir identity, runs family contrary to -- fundamentally contrary to american values, hate crime as a ncept is under to understand. john: why? hate is in so many crimes. >> hate crime is phaps a misnomer, there are biassed crimes where people are targeted because of their identity, hate imes embed in criminal justice system notion of a hate cme, it requires law enforcement to document them, understand them, to identify them. and to release -- prosecute them including, in some cases wh enhanced penalties, it requires them to release data on annual bases on level of hate crime that creates aroader understanding in society about what needs t be done. john: but we're drowning in-laws already in america. we have civil rightsablable, ane -- civil rights act, and violent crimes act. >> stablet a high level. a report -- >> does theaw make a difference? >> its. >> does e person think oh, thats a hate crime law. >> i had a conversation with a transgender woman in california, she said, it does not matter what the law say, no law will change the fact, that some people look ate, they see a man in a dress, that will change with time and understanding that is the difference we're havin we're not disagreeing over fact the is a proem, we're disagreeing over theact that the government is the solution on this. john the example reminds me of the contoargs police go through to be politically correct about th, fbi now h a hate crime manual, say avoid offense of terms. what are they supposed to say. >> i think people feel when they are a victim of a crime, we want assess to in which -- we want a society where they are comfortable going to law enforcement. if they don't trust law enforcement to understand their ctimization. >> i am for being sensitive to victims it is imptant. but i don't think it matters what you call someby, let focus on policies and things we can do to prevent from calling them a v victim. john: this antihaterime commercial, actress wanda sykes said this. >> imagine walking dow the street, wondering if this the killed? will get beatenp or cause of who you are. >> i would say to wanda, is passing a law going to change fact that some people walk down the street and wonder they will be attacke because of who they are? i don't think that law has anything to do with it, it is raising awareness not palti. >> and again, it may note that every potential vicm of a hate crime walks down the street in fear, but religious people may not go to mass or synagogue as they mht like imarat kavkaz >> it runsontrary to our freedomf movement, that is a fundamental principle here in the.s. >> we need to focus to what will help prevent those. john: d you think we have too many laws. >> i don't think weon't have enough hate crime ls. >> on that, paul andimmy thank you. i am ending this segment with my int of view, expressed by america's gatest philosophers, the kids from "south park." >> cartman throws aack at toke an a black student. the school plan its give cartman two wee detention. but then fbi came, to say. i'm afraid it i more camp teed complicated since the victim is afric-american this is considered a hate crime. >> what turns a normal fat 8-year-old until a vicious hate crime racist? >> you want to hurt another human being, you better make sure they are the same color as you are. >> kids complaint to the government nir. >> if someone -- governor. >> if someone kills someone it is a crime, but if they kill somebody of a different color it is a hate crime. >> that is hocrisy. >> right on kids. i wonder what they would say about war on drugs. >> this is your brain on drugs, an questions. john: that war, and on certain food. >> next. john: the war on food. od? , what war? i c eat what i want? except raw milk and 15 states, in my tow tran fats are illegal, the bigger fight is war on something that sounds scary, gmo foods. >> we don want them labeled we want them gone, people are getting sick. john: people are getting very sick? gmo stands for je genetically modified. most corn is. you eat is already, this is a product of years of selective breeding, corn was much smaller than this, and ls juicy, but, it means that scientists fured out a way to change food by manipulates individual genes. they have a gene that makes it taste bad to insects. here is an example of a genetetc modification that may not be sold in america, these fis are 18-month-old salmon. but the bigne was modifie to grow twice as fast. allowi this would mean cheaper salmon, we don't have that, company that engineers fish is waiting for approval are regulators, they have been waiting 20 years. keep it away said jf smith. who runs instead for responsible technology. >> and let it in said jason lusk author of the food police. >> there is the version o natural food is a mystery, we've beenodifying food since humans have been onhe planet. the ear of corn, ancient ancestor is no bigger than your them. only selecting and pnting -- >> but gmo isonkeying with the gene? >> all selection is playing with nes whether you pick this one and put it together, that aditional plantreeding involves many thousands of genes we don't knowhat is going to happen. modern biotechnology isicking one or t genes, to put to an ear of corn, it is morerecise. >> it should make it safer? jeffrey? >> well, fda scientistsere clear in memos made public from a lawsuit, they said process of genetic engineering is different, and leads to new and defense risks new smyrns newalld toxins, but person in charge of policy at fda was michael taylor, mont monsanto former attorney, and now president. >> monsanto captured the fda . this agency, and they are just in the tank with big business? >> month stan to has capture -- monsanto has done the same to many countries they have tir people - >> that makes me senseal skeptif you not tm. you look the every scientific authority on subject, whether national academy of sciences, and world health organization, food and these are all independent bodies of independent scientists,very one of those has confirmed that basic safety ofiotech food, ere has not been a single scientticl confirmed case of illness or a annaller join. >> since gmos have been introduced a whole news set of diseases and disorders on the rise, these are the what parents andoctors say, they take them themselves or family off of gmo they get better, but when ty take livestock off of the soy or corn, and shift it over, livestock get bette that corn in your hand fo example, does not taste bad to insects it pokes holes in their cells and killing them, new a study, find that same toxic inte insecticide pokes homes in human cells and causes leakage. >> you are doing is throwg in aot of corporational analysis -- justin bieber songs are correlated with a rise in autism, of course, not, if it is true they are so bad for livestock or livestock producers must be stupid. john: they must be dumb but beyond bands there is an in between point, a commercial from a group who said ift is je netically modifies label it. >> put it on the label, made with gmos. >> jason thateems reasonable. >>ht, i hav no problem with companies voluntarily labeling food, great thing for consumer choice, if you wt to avoid a gmo you have opportunities, buy organics. but tre are lot of companies that make nongmo claims do we want to main -- mandate, require companies, troubs that fda ndates putting a label. jo: it wld scare consumers. >> it is misleading consurs to believing something that is false. hn: whole foods said they will do it voluntarily. jeff is this enough for you? >> no, i think we need to actually ban gmos, evidences clear fro independent scientists, however, when eaking about labeling, it is not responsible to force gmos on the population, right now for example, wic program gives 2 million childre inft formula, every onef those is geneticallally engineered and parents do not know. >> one of mostmo activists, came outo a a conference in oxford, and said he dug into the scientific literature and he was wrong. john: thank you, to you both. coming up, war on drugs. new scare is over meth. and the psa the kids keep watching television while their friend convulses on the floor. >> this isn't normal. plan but but on meg, it i -- but on meth it is. >> really? is that normal? what you thinkou know. ma not be so. >> this is your brain on drugs. any questions? john: that was one of the
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