jo watkins is a political strategist and aid to president bush. michelle is c.e.o. of the bernard center, and harry sheerer a star of simply sons and creator of bbc documentary about new orleans. harry, police brutality hags been front page news for a long time. we have seen case after case of young black men killed by cops. >> unarmed black men. >> and some that are armed. >> we have seen several recent bases of cops being attracted. we had one in alabama who is pistol whip the. are police hamstrung, the cop said he didn't want to engage, draw his weapon, because he didn't want to be in the media. >> first thing, if you analyse the effect of media coverage, the first when is what the media is reporting true. if it is, too bad. if it's not, let's fix the media. i happen top have had the experience of meeting a police sergeant from the l.a.p.d. who had gone to gaol in the rodney king case. you should have seen what happened before the cameras rolled. second he said the l a.p. d, over a period of years. had been egen shally deprived over a number of methods of nonleth

jo watkins is a strategist and white house aid to george w. bush. good to have you with us. i don't mean this to be critical in any way of the candidates. i'm asurprised you stayed awake. the form at seemed built to be boring. >> [ laughs ] >> you're right. it's tough with so many candidates. i mean this forum allowed for what will not happen on thursday. there'll be fewer candidates having many candidates is tough. each got a chance to get the talking points in. no one stood out. there was no breaking news here. it was a very i guess, not boring but if you're someone like me who loves politics working in the white house, of course you are listening. it will be hard for the average voter to listen to that. >> some are building in as a preview, there was an elephant - pardoned republican pun - whoevers not in the room and will be thursday fight. >> that's correct. missing donald trump, not having him there made a lot of difference, he's the front runner in every poll that i have seen, and by a significant amount. people want to see what he has to say and how he does in that s