i agree with joan, by the way. the president, even though he won the election, isn't going to win every point here in this negotiation. but republicans seem to think they can have it mostly their way. they made one concession, which is higher tax rates for some rich people. now they want it to be for a very small number of rich people, won't raise the revenue that is needed. so i don't think they have any chance here. but maybe what this whole thing is about is letting these republicans get up and vent, and then he can go back to the bargaining table. >> sure. >> but i'll tell you one thing. he has to be a little careful, because that bill that extends the tax cuts for everybody up to $250,000, i think the democrats might vote for that. and then if a number of republicans say wait a minute, i'm not going to vote to let taxes go up on people under $250,000, it might pass. the senate i think would then pass that, and the president would probably sign it. >> i'm not quite sure, joan, how john boehner is going the chan

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good job, joan. >> my finest moment, clearly. >> absolutely.'s an idea being batted around about raising the medicare age from 65 to 67. you write a lot about in it your piece today on salon.com. a lot of people exasperated at this idea. why are you against it? >> it's a terrible idea because it saves some money but it basically -- it saves the federal government money. it costs more money in the long run. it puts people at the mercy of the private money. the center of american progress shows that at least 500,000 sign yours uninsured living in states with republican governors or have otherwise said they will not participate in the affordable care act so there's a kind of blithe assumption by liberals that we have obama care and seniors could go in the mix. well, they can't if they live in states where the governor will not add medicaid dollars or not set up an exchange, so it creates more suffering and it's also so class biassed. i think it's the single best example when this is bandied about as we're protected in the little bubble of sufferin

and joan walsh, an msnbc political analyst. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> my pleasure. >> joan, let me start with you. senator demint is out. how huge is that? >> i think it's huge, are reverend al. i really do. he said health care would be the president's waterloo while the president is getting ready to be inaugurated for a second time and jim demint is packing up his senate office. he could be serving in a majority if he hadn't backed such crackpot losers. they really would have taken it back if it wasn't for christine o'donnell and others. like dick armey, he did leave his post, reverend al, but he got an $8 million payday. they always get more pay but it's great to see somebody like that actually having to leave the senate. >> he was one of the faces of the tea party movement, governor. with him stepping down today, what was that mean, in your opinion, for the future of the tea party who has already lost major characters and major players in the congress so far? >> well first, rev, i want to go on

joan and i were just talking about this. i hope nobody says that the school doesn't deserve whatever it is that they need to make sure there are counselors available so everyone can move forward and, you know, across this country children are going to have questions and parents are going to have to figure out how to talk with their children about what's happened. when children see something like this, they experience it very differently than we do as adults. keeping an eye on your children, if they have questions, responding to those questions but having that wholistic approach in terms of how we move forward and how we help this community heal. >> joan, we understand that new york city mayor michael bloomberg has said not even children learning their abcs are safe, and he, of course, has been campaigning relentlessly about gun control and some kind of control. as you look at the litany of these events and this year, it struck me when the president was speaking that even he has now run out of patience with this. >> well, thi

so each side has a completely different narrative. >> joan, jump in there. is it the far right?t about money? >> it's the right versus the far right. they're all a bunch of grifters. i love you and david to death, but you're become way too nice to dick armey. >> you're calling him a grifter? >> he walked away -- grifting isn't stealing, necessarily. he walked away with $8 million and he's mad at matt kibbe? >> you can't call a guy a grifter when they say we'll give you 8 million dlargs to get out of here. >> yes, you can. and david, for you to be saying it's not a big deal that he walked in with a guy with a gun because they supposedly knew the guy, i mean, they're all crazy. >> come on, you guys. >> joan -- >> are we reflercting the right wing army? >> all i'm saying is the guy with the gun was a security guy who's been in and out of freedom works a lot and it wasn't a bigamist ri that he was there. >> well, he scared some people. apparently, he scared some people according to the post. a and i sat here when he said he couldn't be married to me. he's a grifter. >> i don't have

joan walsh, thank you.rendell. >>> up next, why are republicans so stunned that their guy lost? we'll talk about how the nobodies, that's what they call the people that voted for obama, pulled this one off. this is "hardball," the place for politics. whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios >>> as we get closer to the holidays, i'd like you to think about the hardship people in the new york area are facing from the ongoing devastation of hurricane sandy. a good way to help is a group in staten island. the website for that group is dratlasfoundation.com. the address is dr. theodore atlas foundation, 543 cary avenue, staten island, but you can get it through the website, dratlasfoundation. they are doing great work. they're helping kids of these families get through the holidays, helping in all the ways the government doesn't and needs the help to fill in the cracks. there are

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and, of course, i would have to agree with joan walsh.er analysis is painfully, painfully accurate. it's aparnts they have not learned one thing as they continue to isolate women, isolate people of color, their chances of ever being a legitimate party, a significant party to be able to take over the white house, again, beyond their jer manderring is really in jeopardy. >> congresswoman gwen moore, joan walsh, thank you both for your time. >> i've read your book, joan. it's brilliant. >> thank you, congresswoman moore. i really appreciate that. >> breaking news. tonight, speaker boehner and president obama meeting at the white house. happening right now. plus, the stunning injustice of the central park five. young men con viktsed of a horrible assault in new york city. the story shocked the nation. be ready to be shocked again. my powerful interview is coming up. stay with us. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but m

thank you joan walsh and david corn. newt always looks like newt. >>> coming up, if you're pro labor, this isn't the image you want broadcast all around the country. >> get the [ mute ] out of my face! get the [ mute ] out of my face! i didn't hurt nobody! get out of my face! back the [ mute ] up! >> it gets worse. that's photo of a fox news contributor being harassed. will it have the same lasting impact as what happened right there. labor has plans to fight back. but first they've got to do explaining about that. you think? >>> also mitch mcconnell seems to be doubling down on the fiscal cliff debate saying he's out to use the debt ceiling to blackmail the country of medicare and medicaid. would they kill the recovery of this country just to get their political gain? >>> and meanwhile, when mitt romney said this is about president obama, listen. >> speaking about small business and businesses of all kinds he said this. if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> well, that was ju

. >> eric scott followed by julie christian son, and then joan wood. >> good afternoon. >>> this is not a project that's intended to benefit a single neighborhood. this is a project that's intended to benefit all san franciscans. when it was originally proposed to the public, the timelines and the cost estimates were based upon completion this year with revenue service starting no later than next year. there are very few projects that get better by being delayed. they just get more expensive. and all of the calls for additional environmental reviews. the frivolous lawsuits and so on, these are the things that are responsible for the explosion in the costs. we don't have to take this thing out through columbus avenue. we could have taken it out through the park and left the roadway open. but we had even more vocal opposition to the people who didn't want to harm a single tree or a single blade of grass. this was the compromise that was intended to mollify the public. there is nothing wrong in principle with pagoda option. it's just there are additional costs there. they have to come from

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thank you, joan walsh. i don't feel sorry for them. they have great jobs but they're not what you'd call rich. thank you. >>> up next, someone needs to tell david letterman that mitt romney has already lost. you don't have to keep beating this guy like an old horse. letterman keeps twisting that knife into mr. mitt. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." now to the sideshow. we all know mr. potter. remember him from "it's a wonderful life"? he's the greedy businessman. definitely not known for his empathy. here's a refresher. >> now take this here to ernie bishop. you know, the fella that sits around all day on his brains. i happen to know the bank turned down this loan. but he comes here and we're building him a house worth $5,000. what does that get us? a lazy rabble in stead of a thrifty working lad. >> well, mr. potter has made his way into the debate to cutting for medicare and social security. check out this ad. it's john boehner meets henry potter. >> what will happen if house speaker john boehne

let me go back to joan. thanks for joining us tonight, joan. i think this is a partisan issue, and i'm being very fair because i do read platforms unlike you, clark, and i take them seriously. if a party is going to campaign for historic inequality and fight for it in perpetuity to the point of putting it in the constitution then running on that platform means something to me. serious challenge to the direction of history. your thoughts? >> i agree and i know clark has fought the good fight and lost and i expect he's going to continue to lose for at least a little while, chris. the arc of history is bending in the direction of gay rights and, you know, to have george will say that, it was brutal, but it was also true. when you look at the younger generation, you look at our kids, and even republican kids, they're not as liberal on this issue as democratic kids, but they're getting there. so over time this will change. the problem right now for clark and for all republicans w40 are trying to liberalize their party in any way, maybe that's on imm

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thank you, joan walsh. i don't feel sorry for them. they have great jobs but they're not what you'd call rich. thank you. >>> up next, someone needs to tell david letterman that mitt romney has already lost. you don't have to keep beating this guy like an old horse. letterman keeps twisting that knife into mr. mitt. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." now to the sideshow. we all know mr. potter. r i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many

a bit of joan crawford.s other hollywood greats we are talking about indiadams she was what was known as a ghost singer. she was actually singing for these stores for these classic films. she is here. she was here acquiescing for these -- stores. and these stars-- >> and i sang for " the bandwagon ". >> i did not able i was not able to sing on screen? >> did that bother you?. but now, no. >> did you understand or does that bother you now? >> it does not bother me now. >> were you able to meet joan crawford? >> yes. >> joan crawford was actually very warm and she what it takes me back to her dressing room. and she was very, warm. >> she did not seem to be upset that you were singing for her? >> she actually did mind. but she wrote me an incredible letter that she was hoping that she could do just as good of acting as i did on singing. and it when i read a letter i thought that who has written this, this was a joke. but it was actually from her. >> many people say that she was also great with mildred pierce. i

i think there is some legitimacy that -- to joan's point short of the name calling. >> crazy wing nutay not be your phrase. >> i'm sorry, mike. >> you know, going to be close to watch to see exactly, given his leadership of this organization, do they become something nothing more than than a hatchet job for conservatives or are they principled arguments with that strong conservative undercurrent to them. we'll see. >> speaking of crazy wing nuts if we're talking about a potential move to the center, ann cull tour on fox yesterday, saying that the republicans need to understand they lost and make a deal with the president. let us take a listen to the choice piece of sound. >> are you saying then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> you're saying to capitulate to obama who's -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >> what was that? i mean joy. >> stop making sense, ann. >> we should have led with that. it is like ann coulter is admitting the republicans lost and some deal should

>> i'm in the process to reach joan from planning to finalize the list. we get, say, 7, initially they come back with more than that. both sides get an equal number. >> 7? i think it was 14. how do you get consensus with that number of people. are you saying they are bringing it down to that number of people? >> i will meet with joan and finalize it. >> so before the meeting in january we will finalize it and they will know who's on our list. >> since president mccarthy says our list is together, is it just staff or does it include stake holders and people we look at. >> one commissioner and also outside consultant. >> stake holders. >> could we see that list too? >> yeah, i'd like to see the planning list. a lot of people are going to put their time and effort into this so we want to make sure we have a good working group. okay. >> thanks. >> thank you, penny. >> item 8d, update on other technology projects. >> director tom hue, since pam is not here because she is home today, same report last month, i don't think there's that many update on the item. >>

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. >> el dúo de cantautores españoles entre joaquín sabina y joan manuel serrat presentó este su nuevode seno. >> usted también puede unirse a la causa en apoyo de teletón usa, comenzando este miércoles. >> y para la despedida, nos vamos al campo de la ciencia. >> un estudio que reveló hoy, que redujeron de lv

joining me now, joan walsh is editor at large for salon and msnbc political analyst. this is fascinating stuff. none of the three of us are real insiders when it comes to the tea party. let's talk about what's going on inside. you start with what you got, dick armey i've never forever. very different. really rich and eccentric. if he was rich, he would say eccentric eccentric. the other guy is on here all the time, matt kibby. >> who's the good guy, who's the bad guy in this fight? >> they each would say i am, but it's becoming very -- >> a guy with a gun, armed guard and telling everybody to get out. >> that story obviously came about because people wanted that out and wanted to make dick armey look like a complete madman. but the report, i spoke to dick armey and the guy with the gun. he's a former capitol hill police officer who dick armey has used time and time again as a private security guy when he's in washington. the guy volunteers his services. >> why did i need him in that moment? >> they knew it was going to be a contentious meeting. >> his wife and assista

. >> el dúo de cantautores españoles entre joaquín sabina y joan manuel serrat presentó este su nuevon cáncer de seno. >> usted también puede unirse a la causa en apoyo de teletón usa, comenzando este miércoles. >> y para la despedida, nos vamos al campo de la ciencia. >> un estudio que reveló hoy, que redujeron de volver a enfermarse, investigaciones anteriores sugerian que tomar ese medicamento, no ayudaba en nada y los resultados del estudio fueron publicados por la revista. >> en estos casos siempre es mejor consultar a los médicos, mañana nosno que no vaya! >> en serio horacio, no me pasa nada. >> bueno, si usted lo dice. (sollozos).

. >> julie christian son, joan wood, fannie renwau. >> good afternoon. >>> good afternoon. i support the general connection of t-line to north beach if it is well designed and well planned. because of that i don't support the abandonment of equipment under chinatown. i believe the loss of finances and the loss of momentum could reduce the chances for an eventual north beach station. i do support the extraction at the 1700 block of powell. whether that be the pagoda or one of the adjacent properties. i think the pagoda itself has a lot of benefit. if the extraction takes place, if the land is leased from the property owner, not purchased, the property owner has a lot to gain. there is a high water table. there's tons of concrete, bleachers poured in the middle of that building. if the city extracted the unit there and left that property owner with a better situation, it would benefit both us and him. of course, the purchase of the property is what i'd like because i think there are a number of benefits to the neighborhood in having a transit station at that particular locati

joan wood. brent platter. tim colin. and shannon gallagher. >>> commissioners, i'm arthur feinstein. i'm chair of the san francisco bay chapter of the sierra club and i'm following up with my friend sue vaughan carrying on her message to you, which is for you to disapprove this or reject this proposal as it now stands. you had quite a few letters from lawyers expressing concerns over this and most of them, if not all, have told you basically that there are parts of this that simply violate state statute. you've had your own lawyer say no, and the supervisor said no, it's not the case. but concerning how many lawyers have found those kind of conflicts, we ask that you step back and start another process of deliberation to make sure that this does not itself end up in court, which is what you're trying to achieve to begin with, a simplified process that doesn't have that. i do want to bring up the issue of why we have c-e-q-a in the first place, to try and remind everybody what the context is, because this is being framed