i think joan's analysis is right.u want to be president of the united states, right now, you want to be hillary clinton. although, there's no sure thing. she certainly has the best chance of anyone alive to become president. but the question is that she has to decide, does she want to get into that meat grinder for two years, and then four or eight years as president, does she want to live the next ten years of her life in that type of pressure cooker. and remember, hillary clinton can be a rock star without running for president. she may be the only person other than bill clinton, alive, who can say that. she can be a rock star, she can go all over the world and be greeted like a hero, just because she's hillary clinton. so i'm not sure it's a slam dunk. if she decides to do it, i don't think there's a serious contender in the democratic ranks, chris. even the vice president, who's been a good vice president, will find that hillary clinton will have the heart and the soul of 80, 85% of the democratic fund-raising bas

joan's exactly right. >> we have to wrap it up. but i just want to point out we're approaching the 50 year anniversary of the war on poverty. and the greatest anti-poverty program, and older people know this better than anybody is social security. we should always remember that was the platform from which the whole safety net began. anybody out there over 65 knows how important the -- rather social security benefits are to your retirement plan, and without it, think where you would be, without them as a big building block, and sometimes the only building block. thank you very much senator sherrod brown of ohio and joan walsh. >>> coming up, the republicans aren't just playing defense on unemployment and minimum wage. they still have the fever called for obama derangement syndrome, which is destroy the health care law, repress the minority vote, turn barack obama into something like an accidental president. >>> also, the two people watching the president's state most closely today are hillary rodham clinton and bill clinton. she and

joan walsh and ed rendell.t with you because you're smiling, because you always do. but if you're hillary clinton and you're thinking what a double edged sword, i'm watching the number one guy that might be able to knock me off. he was ahead of me by a point in the last quinnipiac poll, and i'm watching him getting ground like hamburger meat coming out of the grinder. >> right. >> and whatever survives doesn't look good. do i want to join that new york media market that has gone writ large now so the fact that we're all in the new york media market now it minutes. your thoughts? >> i think she does. i have no inside information. we should turn to governor rendell, because he's more likely to. but i think all signs indicate that she wants to do it. we will find out, i hope, later this year, i hope we find out soon. but for all of larry sab doe's great points, very great guy. black or white, or latino, or asian, republican or democrat, all of this that we'll be reading about, for months and months, she's still th

so i decided at that moment to go home and start interviewing my friend joan mulholland and find out more about it. >> so did you recognize her in the picture when you first saw it or had she already talked to you about this experience of sit-ins? >> i recognized her in the photo because her children would pull the photo out on occasion and say, my mom is in a famous photograph. i really didn't understand how significant that photo was until i saw it in context at the king center. >> and, what had you, what did you learn from her about the civil rights movement that you hadn't known before? >> well, what's interesting about joan's story is that she's a southern white woman who really risked it all to, you know, her family disowned her. for her involvement in the civil rights movement. i, she taught me so much and her story taught me so much about courage and about perseverance through the most difficult circumstances. and through her i got really interested in the entire story of jackson movement. so i'm able to weave her story into a much broader story including unfortunately the as

joining me now is msnbc's krystal ball and salon.com's joan walsh.> thanks for having us, reverend. >> you know, joan, this hoboken story is very different -- it's a very different thing altogether. what is your reaction? >> well, if the mayor is making this up, you know, she's got a real problem there is nothing in my gut or there is nothing from the evidence that says to me that she is not telling the truth. she has gone to the u.s. attorney's office. if for some reason this were not true, she is getting herself in a world of trouble. >> why? for what? >> exactly. what does she gain from this? she's got nothing to gain except trying to help her constituents and help her city. and she is obviously been very pained about this, because she was trying to play ball in a difficult situation. >> this is a mayor, krystal, that has said favorable things about him. this is not someone who has ban vociferous critic of him. in my opinion, the fact that shes has been positive takes away from people saying it is political. >> i totally agree with that. now they'

new jersey state senator ray lesniak, and joan walsh. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you. >>> coming up, did governor christie know more? can he survive this politically? former governor ed rendell joins us. plus, we're learning more about a history of political retribution. the lead investigator is talking about an enemy's list. and you got to hand it to these republicans. somehow this scandal is about president obama. and one is blaming a, quote, feminized atmosphere. and we have some very good news about obama care tonight. stay with us. people join angie's list for all kinds of reasons. i go to angie's list to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me awa

joan, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, thank you. the obama administration has pushed back against a supreme court decision to give catholic groups an exemption when it comes to birth control. >> reporter: covering contraception or birth control. there is an exemption for churches and other religious groups. however, that doesn't include charities affiliated with churches so charities pushed back saying they didn't want to provide contraception on religious and moral ground. the obama administration crafted what it thought was a compromise, arranging for a third party insurer to pay for contraceptive coverage. that did go far enough for many including a group of nuns called little sisters of the poor. justice sotomayor give them a temporary exemption and asked the obama administration to respond by this morning. the obama administration said he they have no case because, here's the twist, their insurer is a christian group, and it is legally considered to be a church. it wouldn't have to provide contraception either. this is basicall

with me is joan campbell, brad campbell's mother. joan, let's put it out there for everyone.you don't do a lot of television but you were gracious enough to talk to us. you're concerned about your son and everyone in this situation. i can't thank you enough for talking to us. if you would, i know that you've been speaking with your son brad as often as possible. tell us how he's doing, and how he's coping with this situation. we know it's very difficult. >> it has been very difficult. but i will say that, and i've talked to brad often. times two and three times in a day since all of this started. their spirits are up. they're feeling hopeful, but they're also struggling with not enough food. not enough water, not enough sanitation. he explained to me earlier today how this got to be so out of control when they showed up at the u.n. base camp, once they got most of the people in, they decided they had room for everyone. they provisions for 6,000 people. the next day there were between 20,000 and 30,000 people there. they don't have enough provisions for that many people. >> th

thanks so much, joan, coming to decipher the court for us.to remind me a little bit of roe v wade, where a law is passed and then every couple of years, it's sort of redefined around the edges. is that what we are likely to see with these two new issues to thank seem to keep cropping up, one is obamacare and the other is gay marriage? >> oh, yes. i think we are headed for several different disputes over the next couple of years in both those areas. in fact, both of them came on the eve of 2014 to the supreme court in different fashion. and i guess guile with the contraceptive mandate first, which is a provision of the affordable care act a group of nuns in denver that provide nursing home care was protesting this part of the affordable care act that requires contraceptive coverage. they are actually exempt from it, but they have to fill out a form certifying their exemption and what they said was that on january 1st when that obligation kicked in, they did not want to sign the form. and the obama administration said you are exempt, you should

joan baez, one of the high points of my career next to meeting pete, joan paez, she tailored her lyrics "salt of the earth" to occupy. and the musicians were drawn to us, but it was a generational thing. i grew up in the 60's. we sat around and held hands. when i met pete i was on the student non-violent coordinating committee, sn cc. these kids in zuccotti park didn't know the lyrics to the songs that i grew up with, and they are reading the lyrics off their iphones. >> thanthank you for bringing u" phone. that's a tremendous reach. you could be reading off the iphone across the planet, which is enlivening and inspiring, and oddly isolating at the same time. yes, occupy wall street is on oe of those exceptional moments when people came together and stayed together. but activism can b be a solitary activity in the 21st century in a way that it wasn't before, instead of storming the pentagon in the moratorium days, you could sit back if des moines or boston and be watching it on your 2.5-inch screen in your pocket. >> one of kids asked me how did you get together in groups? how did you k

welcome joan and jason so you're writers and artists. you utilize your imagination this way. you're a poet and short story writer and writer of fiction. i'm curious to know what is the difference you think between writing poetry and writing short stories? >> i don't write poetry, but i admire poets so much. i actually mean this quite sincerely. i think a person that writes novels or short stories is a person that can't be a poet and can say in short of a space as a poet. i have huge admiration for poets. >> lovely. i wish all the culture felt that way. >> for one thing, it's time. you can write a poem in less time than a story or a novel. but people really don't realize that good poems are revised over and over. and what a poet has a collection come out, even though it may only be 78 pages instead of 780 pages, the pages have been worked and reworked. it's a labor of love. that is what it is. and it's hard work. >> and just ask a basic question because i know a lot of people think about this certainly and there are other writers listening to us talking and people that are rea

joan harding joins me right now. you heard a loud noise. tell me what happened once that happened. >> well, i'm in the store, and you heard a loud sound, as if something maybe really heavy fell in the small somewhere. and then a couple seconds later, actually heard what sounded like a gunshot. and turned around and looked and saw people running. so i got down behind the register, me and some other customers. and a girl that worked in the store ushered us to the back, and it was like seven of us waiting it out in the bathroom. >> oh, my goodness. that is so frightening. tell me, what level were you on? >> i was on the upper level, about three stores from where the incident took place. >> and when you say the incident, what did you see or what have you been told from anyone else who may have seen it? >> only thing that i knew when they -- when the police ushered us out of the store, they told us not to look when we went past the led store. they said don't look, don't look. and from there, we came down the escalator, an

joining me now are democratic congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri and salon.com's joan walsh. thank you both for copping on the show. >> thanks, reverend. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> congressman cleaver, as we get ready for this vote, some on the right are saying unemployment insurance is a disservice. it's a disincentive. what is your response? >> it's disingenuous for them to even say that. i think a little mean-spirited. look, that old liberal george bush, as you mentioned earlier, did it five times, in 2008 at the beginning of the recession. george bush, the old liberal believed that it was necessary to help americans who were going to experience long-term unemployment. and he did the right thing. unfortunately, we have a lot of people elected, in elective office who are not willing to help those in trouble. the recovery has been good for wall street. 1% of the american public has benefitted or had 95% of the recovery. 95% of the public has had no recovery at all. this is absolutely necessary. and the failure to do so i think is vulgar. >> now joan, this vote toda

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joan, it does seem to be what sam says.hen you take a guy on who would have been the wendell wilkie. people like us even, all the people paying attention to him in the big east. >> right. >> there is nobody like that left. so what you have is a scramble. >> what you have is a really perfect picture of the divisions in the republican party. it's a party that is really fractured, chris. so when you see the numbers line up, that's the way the pollsters would describe these different constituencies. and there is no one who can pull them together. now, you guys are both right. christie had a tough road to the nomination because it is such a confident party. i thought it was so interesting in the times today. they did that story about his political team was looking at two races, 2013 reelection and 2016. if you looked at what they were doing around 2016, they were looking totally past the primaries. it was all about little crossover democratic areas that they could win, that they could run up his score. they weren't looking to ru

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i decided to go home and start interviewing my friend joan hall and find out more. >> did she talk to you about the experience? >> the children pulled out the photograph saying my mom was in a famous photograph but i didn't realize the significance of the photo. >> what did you learn about the civil rights movement? >> she is a southern white woman who risked it all. her family disowned her. her story taught me about persevering through difficult situations. i was interested in the broader story and i was able to weave that into the broader story. cephal >> what what inspired you to get involved into the civil rights movement >> going to sunday school and singing about jesus loving the little children and all of the colors and memorizing the bible versus of doing what you want others to treat you. and we had to memorize the whole declaration of independence. i thought i could seize the moment when i had the chance to make the south the best. >> how would were you when you participated in the sit-in? >> 18. college freshman. >> did you just walk in and sit down or did you have to be tr

the first amendment debate painted yellow line, joan. >> yes. in america, the abortion wars play out in many ways and this is about how close can protester get to going to a might be health clinic to have an abortion because they want to they're her from it but also causing problems at abortion clinics because of the and massachusetts adopted a law in 2007 that 35-foot buffer zone around health clinics in the abortions andform these people who want to try to talk to women as they approach it clinics have challenged as a violation of free speech rights. it's been almost 14 years since we had one of these cases. when you think of the 1980's and 1990's, you think of all these and a lot ofests violence, killings at these places but in 2000, the supreme court, by a vote of 6-3, upheld colorado, in an very divisive vote with justice kennedy who supports abortion rights saying you've turned your back on people who oppose because they should be able to talk to people. gwen: talk about the buffer zone. 35 feet, i don't know how to it here. that's a big,

thank sudden so much, joan, for coming to decipher the courts for us.ing to remind me a bit of roe v. wade where a law is passed, and then every couple years it's refined. is that what we're likely to see with obamacare and gay marriage? >> i think we're headed for several disputes in both those areas. in fact, both of them came on the eve of 2014 to the supreme court, and i'll go with the contraceptive mandate first. a group of nuns in denver that provide nursing home care was protesting this part of the affordable care act that requires contraceptive coverage. they're actually exempt from it, but they have to fill out a form certifying their exception exemption. what they had was on january 1st, they did not want to sign the form. the obama administration said you're already exempt, the little sisters of the poor, which is the name of the group, came to the supreme court, trying to get a stay, trying to get obamacare blocke from applying to them for this contraceptive form, and right now that's pending at the supreme court. justice sotomayor, could re

joan views scientific research as a race and the development of science and technology is a category in the inter national competition. in nineteen fifty. competition for energy resources intensified with the korean war. johnson helped rob a phd offer in the us to work on china's development in order to ask a possible substitute for fossil fuel. in the nineteen sixties johnson how focused on rocket propulsion to boost china's national defense technologies to the seventies is worked in chemical laser research a completely new feel for chinese scientists i want to combine my own interest with the country's but sometimes my own interests must give way to that of the country. joan is also well last mentor for china's next generation of scientists and federer told me that he used to reveal my paper a sentence by sentence and word by word in his notes in comments for all all for it. it is very meticulous and i was very new and great on the actions and the attitude of the teachers and faculty see and very often for a lifetime. jolly nice shady china's outstanding john scientists on. today m

we have to define the terms of our dependence. >> joan walsh, it's wonderfully vague.e have to define the terms of our dependence. what's he saying there? >> i think he is saying this has been his message going back to his presidential campaign, that we're all in this together. i think we can do a lot to exaggerate the difference between these two bills. they are both men and democrats of their time. bill clinton came from the left. he cut his teeth on george mcgovern's failed wonderful presidential campaign. he was a man of the anti-war movement and of the civil rights movement. he made the right enemies in arkansas. he made enemies of the segregationists. he did move to the center. he was a reaction to democrats losing the white house four out of five times as he came of age. he did pull his party to the center. but i think his values have always been more on the progressive side. bill de blasio, likewise, was a supporter of the revolution that was not terribly radical in the early 1980s, but somewhat radical. then he went to work for bill clinton in hud. and went to

joining me now are jesse mcintyre and joan walsh. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me, rev. >> jess, senator paul is invoking monica lewinsky to defend the gop war on women. i mean, it's so odd. what's your reaction? >> well, there is no way for him to substantively talk about the republican war on women, because it is accurate and it is policy-based, as you said. when women say "war on women", we mean republican efforts to oppose equal pay, the violence against women act, and access to women's health care. it's very specifically about a policy party agenda. and that's what women are reacting to. it's not about any one person. it's not about any one remark, although i do think a lot of this rhetoric like we heard last week from mike huckabee really does remind women that republicans don't understand them at all. and don't particularly trust them to make their own decisions. so in that sense, we have one party that is not very comfortable with women and doesn't know how to talk to them, and another one that is reall

joan miro was born in spain in 1893. before he was even 10 years old, the x-ray, the wireless telegraph, freud's interpretation of dreams, einstein's theory of relativity had appeared. so how could any artist in our time believe we're simply what we appear to be? if we want to see that, we can take a photograph. we have more options than we ever had. we're freer to choose than we ever were. for 20th-century artists, that freedom means expression... fantasy... abstraction... structure... imagination. leonardo da vinci is one of the greatest geniuses of all time. 500 years ago, he painted this portrait of ginevra de benci. she is so real, you can almost feel the softness of her skin. simply beautiful. ginevra's father was a wealthy and powerful florentine merchant. in their day, everyone-- especially leonardo-- was interested in things which were natural--human. ginevra's portrait shows that. but it doesn't show why she was so melancholy. something must have been wrong. leonardo said that portraits should show "the motions

. >> joan is still fighting. >> i did four main treatments, and an experimental treatment. i was the only patient and that was one where my skin came off, not just the toplayer, and the skin came off. and there was one where i threw up for, like, eight straight hours, and it subsided. >> the f.d.a. approved a new treatment that could change joan's future and the lives of other hep c patients. >> it comes in the form of a pill. it offers a faster path to a cure in half the time with fewer side effects. the cure rate used in conjunction with other medication can be as high as 90%. >> it can be given as a single pill, orally. we are close to curing hep c without toxic drugs in a considerable portion of people, now that we can do it, let's find the people that are infected and dreet them. >> dr fauccii says it's part of a drug called direct acting agents. unlike other drugs, which stimulate the immune system to fight off the disease. the medication targets the virus to prevent if from replicating. >> i'm generally considered a conservative in my predictions for disease. i don't

rubin santana advisors >> joan i didn't advisory committee and a rebecca ryan's sense oversight bond. >> entertainment commission. >> bayview citizens advisory committee. >> (inaudible). theodore miller >> james mccray junior building inspection commission. >> all right. >> do solemnly swear. that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states and the constitution of the state of california against all enemies foreign and domestic that i will bear true faith and alliance to the constitution of the united states and the constitution of the state of california that i take this obligation freely without any mental restoration or purpose of evaluation and i will well, and faithfully discharge the duties about which i'm about to enter and during the time as i hold the office of for the city and county of san francisco. congratulations and thank you very much >> happy new year everyone. thank you (clapping) >> so what brought you out here for the bike ride today? >> i grew up in san francisco but i have been living in new york. i wanted to see what san francisco is doing wi

. >> we spoke to joan and she is brad campbell's mother. >> i've talked to brad often, sometimes two and three times in a day since all this started. but their spirits are up. they're feeling hopeful. but they're also struggling with not enough food, not enough water. not enough good sanitation. he explained to me earlier today, how this got to be so out of control. when they showed up at the u.n. base camp. in malakal, there were about 6,000 people. and once they got most of the people in, they decided they had room for everybody so they had provisions for 6,000 people. and by the next day there were between 20 and 30,000 people there. and they don't have enough provisions for that many people. >> joan campbell says the missionaries have no idea when they may be able to come home. they says -- she says they're monitoring the volatile situation and hope to be coming home soon. >>> killed by an explosion at his home today. the blast was triggered when he opened the door to a safe at his home in prague. a police spokesperson says the explosion may have been part of a security system. p

joan brought up the point, hip-hop is a global musical genre, and global culture.a cuba kids in north korea suggesting that some of the places we are today as americans are off limits to us intellectually culturally or even in terms of travel in fact may have value, especially for those who are on the bottom of the men system. >> yes. and just discussing hip-hop has created jobs for kids. it's created creative outlets, you know, where they would normally -- might normally be doing something else. and i'm not saying every kid who was into rap otherwise would have been a drug dealer. but there is a lot of instances it's happened. and these kids being able to travel and get off their block and see something else and being able to be like okay even if i just read about it or saw it on tv, i never got to really experience it. and to realize how much you're actually bonding with someone in another country. and it starts out because of hip-hop, and it start a discussion. and then you can talk about things that are so much more relatable. you can talk about politics you ca

joan, i think i probably would have voted for yours.ut the confidence of this man right here, and the nose dive that he pulled out of. sal. >> yes! yes! >> thanks, bob. thank you. >> jimmy: i just want to say that i think the job that you did there is a very good job considering the distractions you had to deal with with this one over here. and i think you did a really nice job. i love the "f" for football and the "f" for focus, too. >> the winner right here. get it. >> how can i be so stupid to think that he wouldn't have a cake in his hand and not throw it at me. how could i be so stupid. >> jimmy: don't blame yourself for this. don't blame yourself. this is everyone's fault. i even blame myself a little bit for this. all right. tonight on the show, from "new girl" jake johnson is here. music from danny brown. we'll be right back with christina ricci. >> portions of jimmy kimmel live are brought to you by the all new nissan road. and the artist. ♪ when they work together -- well, that's when you can get something really new. ♪ when yo

they are doing everything they can to stay together. >> joan campbell and her family struggle to find a way out of south sudan. >> it's day 4. a team of al jazeera journalists. producer mohamed fadel fahmy and baher mohamed have been moved. mohamed fadel fahmy has been moved to hospital, he injured his hand before the arrest. peter greste is still at the care. >>> police station. al jazeera is demanding the journalists be released immediately. >> russian president met with some victims of the suicide bombings. the early morning visit to volgograd came a day after he pledged to defeat terrorism. the attacks on a train station and o awe bus killed many. >> anexplosions in mogadishu killed 11 people. one of the plogs --&plogss appeared to -- explosions appeared to be a suicide bombing? a. >> a car bomb killed two people. it targeted a bus full of shiite pilgrims travelling from iran. the car was parked on the side of the road and detonated from a person inside. shiites in pakistan are a frequent target. >> the liberal leader. people across america are watching, can he deliver. an update

joan bae z patty smith, all these people were playing. jack white.ting for the movies. the fact that they used that as an excuse to do really cool things, have shows like that. >> jon: i think other movies should do that, too. hunger games should do that you go around and be like maybe we'll shoot arrows at people. in a theater somewhere. the movie is phenomenal but you in particular it's one of those moments are people will talk but when he burst on the scene with that thing for the long. >> thanks, jon, i appreciate that. >> jon: the kid is good. the kid, i call him. [ laughter ] inside llewyn davis. you have to see it. in the theaters now. we won't at the tell them what s to the cat. there's a cat in it also. >> a couple cats. >> jon: you don't know what happens to the cat. this cat could be an (bleep). >> thank you for that. >> jon: oscarscarar [cheers and applause] >> jon: that's our show. join us tomorrow night at 11:00. you know tomorrow night is steve consumes. very, very funny guy. audience is very upset that they are not going to be here. [

on tuesday, i put the t shirt on and long joan overs that. [ laughter ] and then i keep do that and theyk that guy really changes his shirtz. that's really true though, sadly. this show now have you finished taping it? >> we finished three and a half weeks ago. >> jon: a new york production? >> no. >> jon: where? >> whole thing in los angeles. this is for heidi. she lives in l.a. >> jon: i thought she lived in new york. >> no, l.a. we were going to do it in l.a. >> jon: you went to l.a.? >> i did. >> jon: isn't it more difficult to do something like that because you need the access to the tremendous garment shops and -- >> the traffic say challenge. we have lots of field trips and go back and forth for the challenges. it takes time. we end up extending the work day which means the designers get less sleep. >> jon: how long a day do you think somebody would have there? let's say they are on the show 12 hour, 14? >> more like 18 hour day. >> jon: really? >> it is. i will tell you this though. let's talk about a challenge setup day. we travel to where we set it up. that's an hour. and then

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to doris joan,g who was my alley teacher.s jones, lewis johnson -- lewis was the first lack ballet dancer. jones was like my second mother. she was the best teacher in the world. she directed us to new york city and the new york city ballet. that is how it started. , called andition asked what she thought about it. i went from ballet to the theater. i really appreciated so much of it, and i have been so busy. it's important that kids stay busy. it's important they have something to focus on and something they feel good about, so i really attempted to enjoy my own life but to be able to be , some sort ofuide examples of the kids know they can do it. of goodked up with lots stuff. good teachers. good friends. >> say a word to me if you will about what the challenges were or what the joys were of being people of color doing this back then? your teacher is black. you are latina. what was it like in that moment? >> ms. jones went with me, and i will never forget her saying -- we are walking through the halls, and i am looking arou