i remember joan baez had a piece in the paper and it was a voice from the left and she was ridiculed for it, put aside for, it and i thought to myself, she's right, and we were wrong. mark: that's the turning point. >> that was the turning point and it took a long time because propaganda is dangerous. it gets into the system. mark: it's reinforcing. >> and it took me a long while to pull completely out of it, but little by little i did, and then i saw that the answer, much like reagan when he said democratic party, i didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. to some degree, the same thing happened to me or anybody who's a conservative now and was at that time on the other side, because when you look at, let's say, john kennedy's inaugural address, his inaugural address would be deemed today by the people who are in hollywood, my friends in the hollywood, and the people over the country who are on the left as some radical nut from the republican party. we simply have lost something along the way, but it hasn't been our own fault. we've been attacked by an insidi