it's called five years and also by joan gelson who is the editor for the j that is it our local jewish community newspaper and also a poet. welcome joan and jason so you're writers and artists. you utilize your imagination this way. you're a poet and short story writer and writer of fiction. i'm curious to know what is the difference you think between writing poetry and writing short stories? >> i don't write poetry, but i admire poets so much. i actually mean this quite sincerely. i think a person that writes novels or short stories is a person that can't be a poet and can say in short of a space as a poet. i have huge admiration for poets. >> lovely. i wish all the culture felt that way. >> for one thing, it's time. you can write a poem in less time than a story or a novel. but people really don't realize that good poems are revised over and over. and what a poet has a collection come out, even though it may only be 78 pages instead of 780 pages, the pages have been worked and reworked. it's a labor of love. that is what it is. and it's hard work. >> and just ask a basic question bec