you think according to joan na jonas, the guys who are always elected, they made their district all crazy, those are the worst offenders so i think your logic is not right, mr. max-ferris. >> my first job on wall street we had to be at the job the at 9 a.m. if we showed up earlier, we got a free breakfast. >> that's not pork, pork is getting your votes and pork is-- >> that's an incentive. >> that's incentive. >> go to-- we got free lunch and that's po pork. >> brenda: and okay. steve, go ahead, weigh in on this? >> it's far worse than anything you guys are talking about here. it's not the political press. with a few notable exceptions, nobody in washington cares about the taxpayers. that's the problem here. listen,voters want to get rid of all this. they say it over and over again and if it takes a few senators want to do this, they insist on doing it, they insist on these things being included, all it takes is somebody to say no. >> oh. >> brenda: gary b, gary b is dying to get in here. go ahead. >> well, i don't agree, i don't agree with steve because he says the voters want to get rid