joan and david shannon were swingers. iastic members of clubs whose sole purpose is to organize various combinations of spouse swapping. as joan told the police, she and david had been swinging for years, long before moving to north carolina. fayetteville, after dark, to their happy surprise, offered plenty of fresh opportunities to continue their lifestyle, as it's called. david discovered that, said joan. >> we get here, he gets on the computer, and he finds the location of a club. >> right off the bat? >> sure did, yes. >> who knew? it w as if this conservative bible bel state somehow needed secret outlets for its more lurid desires. >> he would go on the internet. there were a lot of swinger sites. david would look for people on these swinger websites. >> the swingers' club david found was one of many in fayetteville. and this particular one catered to both couples and singles. and how did that affect your marriage? >> i think it improved it. because, you know, so many marriages fall apart because somebody cheats. but

joining me now is joan walsh, evan sigfried, and shannon pettypiece, white house correspondent for bloomberg. joan, starting with you, a lot of noise. much of it worth discussing. >> right. >> but the big development on health care is that the wizard, the guru, mitch mcconnell, did not reach his self-imposed policy objective this week. >> right. but i mean trump is such a gremlin in this whole thing. he's worse than a gremlin. that's actually a nice word for him. but he's the one who right before the inauguration made -- he said it on the campaign trail, ari, but we didn't really know what he meant. he wasn't serious throughout much of the campaign. but he really made a big push a few weeks before the inauguration to say he was here -- you know, people were talking about repeal and delay. that was the way they were going to fool us. there were obstacles to it. it wasn't necessarily going to happen, but he made a big stink about we can't do that, and he was kind of right. it would be politically a nightmare. but he was the one who really pushed them to do it at the same time. he obviously did