>>> we're back with howard fineman, david corn, jonathan capehart, and joan walsh.ext we're going to ache a look at the reality deniers of the right wing. these are the folks who for whatever reason still don't or won't get it. kicking off this category at number three is georgia congressman paul brown, a creationist who shuns science in favor of a literal interpretation of the bible. what's more perplexing in this case is that this guy sits on the house committee on science, space, and technology. have a listen to what he told a group of his supporters last year. >> all that stuff i was talking act, evolution and embreology, big bang theory, all that is e lies straight from the pit of hell. it's lies to keep people from believing they need a savior. major directions to how i vote in washington, d.c. >> joan, i think he's speaking in the natural history museum of all places, denying the connection of us all there. i don't know why we test our medicines on animals. there seems to be a lot of connection at least physically with us in the rest of this world, but this g

howard fineman, david corn, jonathan capehart, and joan walsh. the thomas crown affair.and the worst of ted cruz. here's number three from ted cruz. in july he made an impassioned case at the western reserve summit -- western conservative submit. an how to block the health care cost at all costs because people might like it. let's listen. >> on january 1 the exchanges kick in and the subsidies kick in. once those kick in, it's going to prove almost impossible to undo obamacare. the administration's plan is very simple. get everyone addicted to the sugar so that obamacare remains a permanent feature of our society. >> david, this is the strajest acknowledgment. he's saying people might really like it. screw it up before it gets to them. >> he's saying they might like being insured. they might like going to the doctor when they're sick. there's a bigger picture here. one reason they were desperate to stop obamacare is when we fight about obamacare, what we're fighting about is whether the u.s. government has a role in u.s. policy and making things better for average americ

ed rendell and joan walsh. i don't get it.overnor, why would they knock off a guy named john cornyn who is the second most right wing senator today and replace him with a nut job. why would you say the president's a foreigner, an undocumented alien? why would you keep pushing for impeachment? and why would you say if fetuses had guns they wouldn't be aborted? what does that stuff mean? what kind of thinking is that? >> it means that that person is deranged. congressman stockman is either the best actor in the world and playing to this base that he thinks is going to get him somewhere, or he's deranged. i lean towards the second. he's just off his rocker. but what's amazing here, chris, is someone like the club for growth and you and i might not agree with them but they're successful people, would not back john cornyn. up until now they've stayed out of the race. if stockman wins the primary and we get the current mayor of san antonio or henry to come back and run for senate, we would beat stockman by five to ten points in the

joining me now are joan walsh and ryan grim. thanks to both of you for being with me tonight. >> thank you. >> pleasure, reverend. >> joan, you wrote an article today called the gop's sad scrooge agenda. will republicans pay for letting long-term unemployment benefits lapse? only if democrats play tough. what to democrats need to do on this issue? >> i was saddened to see this not become a bigger fight during the budget battle, but they didn't think they had the votes. so we've sadly moved onto january. there are people sitting down to christmas dinner trying to shop for their kids and they're going to lose their benefits three day after christmas. it'sed a it's gotten to this point. as you referenced, there's increasing polling data that show people support an extension of unemployment. and the democrats are on the offensive on this. harry reid has said he's going to bring it up. it's going to be the top of his agenda in january. i think there's a real shot to make that happen. i think for a long time the democratic party has be

we're back with the panel, jonathan capehart, howard fineman and joan walsh.m passioned okay at the western e reconservative submit in denver, to block the president's health care law at all costs because of all things people might like it. let's listen. >> on january 1, the exchanges kick in and the subsidies kick in. once those kick in, it's going to prove almost impossible to undo obama care the administration's plan is very simple, get everyone addicted to the sugar so that obama care remains i permanent future of our society. >> david, this is the strangest acknowledgement saying it might work and people might like it. >> they might like insured when they or their kids are sick. we have to stop this. there's a bigger picture here too. one reason they were so desperate to stop obamacare, when we fight about it, we're fighting about whether the u.s. government has a role in social policy in making things better for the average americans. talking about disrupters and so on, say no. government is the solution, we needless and less and less of it. if obamacare

joining me now are congress woman jan schakowsky, democrat of illinois, and salon.com's joan walsh. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend al. >> congresswoman, your republican colleagues have tried everything to discredit the health care law. will they start getting pushback from constituents who are benefitting from it? >> oh, i think there's no question. the good news stories are starting to roll out. as you said, people who have been denied health care perhaps most of their life are finally getting enrolled. by the way, i enrolled today. it was simple. i have my plan now as a person on the health care exchange. and i had no trouble getting on the website. and so now that the website is getting fixed, the republicans are looking for something else as part of their more than three and a half year campaign against obama care. but the sailing is going to get much rougher for them now that people are actually seeing the benefits. >> now, joan, every now and then, we hear, you know, a republican say they should root for the health care law to fail. some level of, you kn

joy reid still with us tonight and also joan walsh. interesting, joan, how he was mentioning the demographics of the age of the people out there. obviously this man had a huge impact for the ages as president obama said tonight. a man who belongs to the ages. and the songs that were relevant at the era of his struggle being played outside his home. i think that's very touching. >> what a powerful symbol that young people would show up. so many times you have political events where the crowd is older and it's more of a looking backwards kind of thing. but to know that so many young people know the meaning of this man, gives me hope. it's not something i would have predicted. and i'm really inspired by it. >> joy reid, what does that signal to you? what do you make of the people outside of nelson mandela's home, the impact the has left on their lives playing songs of yesteryear era that represented that of the struggle. >> absolutely. i think nelson mandela who started out as a figure of great fear for white south africans ended up being

thank you howard fineman and jonathan capehart and joan walsh. thank you all for being with us. if you're out holiday shopping, get a copy of my new book, it will make you feel happier this holiday. see you monday night at 7:00 eastern for more "hardball." >> good evening, americans and welcome to the ed show. let's get to work. >> let's go. let's go. let's get to work. >> let's get to work. >> one of the missions i had when i came to msnbc was that president obama had just been elected. i wanted to do health care. >> you need to pay attention to what's happening in your backyard. >> fixing health care in this country is a moral obligation. >> what is our soul as a country is what the next generation is going to have to answer. >> when we start picking and choosing neighborhoods of who's going to get the resources and who's not going to get the resources, we will lose this country. >> should be talking about infrastructure, investment, investment in education and investment in workers and going round two on health care. [ applause ] >> i want to repeal the law of the land. is th

joining me now, joan walsh. thanks for being here this evening. dible. 5 million people not able to get insurance because republican governors are playing politics, joan. >> no, it's really awful. and it's terrible for -- first of all, it's terrible for these 5 million people. they're going to hospitals now and community navigators saying if you lived in a neighboring state, you'll get medicaid but you're not getting it now because you live here. that's a tragedy in itself. but what we find now is these states, these governors are not saving money for their states. they're turning down federal dollars. they're turning down dollars that their taxpayers paid into. and we're finding they are going to be on the hook for these people. so this is costing them money. that they're going to have to put out to cover some of these people whether it's in emergency rooms or clinics or other ways. so it's so stupid and mean spirited. it really tops them. >> and they're making some really crazy arguments. here's another republican who signed up for insurance unde

joining me georgetown university professor eric dyson, salon's editor-at-large joan walsh, "washington post" columnist jonathan capehart, former democratic congressman harold ford, jr. joining us from washington nbc's capitol hill correspondent luke russert. luke, i can't believe i'm saying the words government shut down and debt ceiling debacle once again, my friend. what are the chances that the two waring sides get together to pass a budget deal in the next two weeks? >> well, you'd think it would be good after what happened to congress's approval during the last shutdown fight and argument, especially for house republicans. but as of right now it doesn't necessarily have a very rosey outlook. there's been all this talk that paul ryan, the republican from wisconsin and patty murray, democrat from washington chairing this conference committee will figure out some way to lessen the impact of the sequester. as far as a wide reaching grand bargain, that's not going to happen. now they are trying to figure out, okay, what can we do to replace sequester cuts a lot of democrats and republi