as to joan walsh refusing to say whether she would rather move to haiti or norway, let's not wait foroan. let's look at the existing traffic. there are immigrants all over the world who move to norway. no one voluntarily moves to haiti. why is that? it's a dysfunctional society and so are many of the others from which america's present ludicrous system takes newcomers from. >> tucker: so china is the most aggressive colonial power in the world right now and it's investing all over africa and all over latin america and all over the caribbean. spending $30 billion in haiti, for example. there is no pressure from joan walsh or the american left for the chinese to absorb immigration from any of those regions at all. they are not denounced as racist for keeping their borders totally closed to everybody.ou why is that? i wonder. >> well, because china is allowed to advance its own interests. so it's bought, for example, f a big box industry in jamaica. it doesn't feel along with that it has to import a big bunch of jamaicans to its a country. people can object to what president trump says.

back with joan walsh. i want to continue on with the access reporting and the chaos. james comey sub tweeting tonight. writing this. good to read reports of people standing up for what they believe in. the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in comfort and convenience. but challenge kp controversy. from martin luther king, jr. again. >> that's an at ta boy. to christopher wray. hang in there. he's basically saying it's great that it's from the reporting. that you said you would quit if they tried to make your fire mccabe. that's how i read it. >> such -- there has been such an effort to under mine institutions. especially the fbi. i think james comey is standing up for them. let's talk about stephen miller. >> my favorite topic. >> remember when they were applied to bannon. headlines like the daily beast. president millers shut down. business insider reports some refer to miller as president stephen miller. you refer to him as president stephen miller as well. president john kellily. from esquire. how damming are the headlines? for miller ob john kelly? >

. >> outfront now, national affairs correspondent joan walsh and jack kingston. oan, i have to say the reporting tonight from a senior republican source familiar with the meeting is that these republican senators are basing their denials of this discussion on the fact and i'm going to say it this time because it's important, they say the president said shit house and not shit hole and that changes everything. when i first heard that, i was like that can't be. that can't be how they are justifying. >> it changes nothing. i mean actually on this program, thursday night, rich said that same thing. he heard that but even rich, devout republican, defender of president trump agreed it doesn't change anything. now they are using it as a basis to impeach, deride dick durbin, claim this never happened and the two word, i can't wait to bring jack in here because i think he will agree with me this time, the two words mean the same thing. >> would you agree that on substance, blank hole and blank house, there's very little difference? >> i do agree with joan. i don't see the

up now joan walsh and steve cortes.ion is a serious thing. >> i think this is dangerous. this is the most dangerous day for our democracy since trump fired jim comey in may. we saw the departure of fbi mcca mccabe under pressure. you have him saying we are not going to release the democratic rejoinder, the memo. not going to extend the russian sanctions because they are working well enough. so you have to put this together. >> i don't know why i have a problem, deven nunes did sign this memo. >> if he trusts his deputy to do that job, it is reasonable. as you stipulated, the russians meddled in our election among many nations. >> when you say that, it is like you are minimizing it. >> i am not minimizing it. many nations, the ukraine for certain in collusion with the democratic party. >> what is that? >> what is of far greater concern, some of the highest levels of our own national security apparatus may have been interfering in our elections. james comey determining months before the investigation is over and writing a

joan walsh is the nation's national affairs. paris bernard, april ryan is going to join us in a moment. white house reporter. paris, let me start with you. how do you defend this? >> i'm not here to defend it. i think it's hard to defend something that is unsubstantiated and based off -- >> i have to jump in here. that defense is not going to work tonight. not tonight. deny everything else he said. they denied everything in the michael wolf book. they denied everything. they are not denying this. you cannot hide behind that. >> thank you for your extended commentary, erin. if you allow me to speak, just like the michael wolf book, you have people who are not coming out and saying who they are. if this is what you think the president said, come out and say it. these white house staffers who allegedly said this will resinate with the base, that is offensive and just like the white house staffers who said things in the wolf book to say things to derail this presidency. the underlying assumption is this president is a racist. the na

national review editor rich lowry, and joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. s start with you, joan. you're closer to me so you get the first whack with the stick. hillary clinton, champion of the movement. >> yep. >> they come to her. they say this guy has demonstrable problems with someone in the office. he's got to go. she says no. she keeps him on. how can you support that? >> i don't support it. i want to know more about it. look -- >> what more do you need to know? >> i need to know the exact conversation she had. look, it's not like he didn't get punished. i'm not defending this. i want you to know my thought process. it's not like he didn't get punished. he got docked pay. he got sent to counseling. the thing i'm focused on is in 2016. >> he wound up working for a democratic group, correct the record, when he has this history. he's been accused and actually found some sort of guilty of sexual harassment. >> and suggested clinton knew that as well. >> i guess so. i find that the most disturbing. i do think, chris, she's going to have to come out and talk

for more on all of this, i'm joined by my panel, including joan walsh, in her cnn debut. she's now a cnn political commentators in addition to her role for national affairs cooperate for "the nation." welcome to cnn. also with me kevin madden and washington bureau chief for "usa today," susan page. joan, before we knew the white house would allow cameras to stay, a republican congressional source told then cnn the purpose of the meeting was to show trump was negotiating with democrats. now that's imagery and it seemed fairly effective, but they need more than imagery. >> right. i don't think that we saw what's actually going to happen down the road in that room today. and, you know, i guess the optics were reasonably good for the president. he did look like a warm and affable person. there were a few loopy things, and i think i saw ann consulter and other anti-immigration folks freaking out on social media today that he was -- by promising i'll sign anything you bring me. you know, the thing about -- we're not talking directly about the wolff book but since that's still i

we have joan walsh and national review editor rich lower requirement it's good to have you both here.em that the word that he used or is there a larger problem that we're missing by getting into the whole versus house. >> i think there's a larger problem. rich is one of the first people that i heard deliver us the house version but at the time we both agreed, it doesn't change anything. it's essentially the same word and it's the same sentiment and it's something that virtually everyone recognized right away. it is racism, to pit these brown countries basically against the whitest of the white country norway, is just a window on to his world view and what he wants to do with immigration policy. >> why create this situation, rich? he didn't have to do this. he didn't have to fight this. if the white house wanted to deny the language they could have done it from jump. raj put out a statement that when asked, he didn't say it was the wrong language. a white house staffer talked to cnn katelyn collins and said we're okay with this, we think the base is okay with this, we know what happene

with national review editor rich and joan walsh. tell me i'm wrong. it hasn't been disproven. going on is good in the face of all the facts that blow up the secret society. >> you're wrong. the is e credit society thing was obviously absurd. and he got overly excited. so it shouldn't have gone there. if the shoe were on the other foot and it was president l hillary clinton being investigated. and fbi agents hate her. and on the record expressing fear and hatred for her. it would be a huge scandal among democrats. >> first point. fine. joan take up the point. i heard that argument from clintons people when they were doing the e-mail investigation. if people are out to get her. and didn't want comey to clear ler. and that was. they say the same thing. this idea. >> they're right. >> this idea that the secret society they shouldn't have said that. there are other issues. >> there are other issues. but he strozk was reassigned. he was taken off the investigation. there were consequences. it's not as though james comey said this is fine. we have this going relationship between the