joan waugh: i disagree with harold and agree with matt, this was a fun project conceived in wine. like so many things conceived and wine the next morning i was not feeling regretful at all. [laughter] joan waugh: i kept asking matt again and again are you sure we can have fun with this? we can write from our heart at 41 sonata footnote everything? and he said yes and i decided to trust him and i am glad that i did. this picture was one that fascinated me of grant leaving against as you can see -- leaning against as you can see a tree. it was taken on june 11 or 12th mirror the harbor. -- near the harbor. when i started my project on ulysses s. grant, i was fascinated simply because i hadn't been for many years before this project a 19 -- have been for many years before this project a 19th-century historian. i have seen many photos of stiffly posed middle-class people -- had seen many photos of stiffly posed middle-class people. i had never seen anything like this. it seemed cool, hanging out and very informal and modern about it. as i came to study grant deeply and understand wher