now this comes as a pressure campaign continues to grow against those same senators like iowa's joaniest. as for trump's pick to lead the department of health and human services, well, trump said in an interview published thursday that he would discuss ending children's vaccine programs with robert f. kennedy jr. and yesterday, "the new york times" reported that a lawyer for rfk jr., who was helping him vet candidates for top health positions in hhs once petitioned the fda to revoke approval of the polio vaccine, which has protected millions of people since it was invented in 1955. now, response to the story in rfk spokesperson noted that the lawyer in question has never discussed the vaccine petition with rfk jr. and that quote polio vaccine should be available to the public and thoroughly and properly studied. now this is a statement that doesn't do very much to reassure public health experts because the polio vaccine has already been extensively studied and shown to be safe and effective against a deadly disease with no cure. president-elect trump also announced kari lake this week

he met with him, roger wicker and senator joanie ernst.t's the backdrop of what he was talking about, advice and consent. what do you take away from his day on the hill today and what you just heard from him? >> reporter: right. at this point in time he has been red zant to answer questions from reporters. garrett haake began to ask him, do you think you have the character before hegseth disappeared down the hallway. that's where this megyn kelly interview will be notable the extent she does or does not ask pointed questions of him and whether he provides responses that alleviate any concerns for the republicans who called for fbi background checks of hegseth and others. it's most notable that here from palm beach, the trump transition team is talking about individuals who are under consideration to replace pete hegseth as the d.o.d. nominee. when you're looking at those individuals who sources tell courtney kube, our colleague matt dixon and myself include the likes of joanie ernst, was just at mar-a-lago last week, iowa senator, she was

i think joanie ernst, this will be the test.lake. will donald trump under the pressure of somebody who is not bowing to appeasement and flattery joanie ernst is, will he try to primary her? all this talk of looking toward the future is only as good as your willingness to work with republicans who are not willing to just ultimately bend the knee to whatever your desires are. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >>> so new reporting in the bullwark, details growing sense of confidence within the gop and trump's team that not just some of the president-elect's most controversial picks will be confirmed but all of them will be. a senior aide to a republican senator told the bullwork, quote, trump has all these guys. it's all over but the shouting. joining us now, the reporter on the story, the bullwork's marc caputo, mark barnacle back with us as well. mark, tell us more about what you're hearing? >> depart from vaughn's remarks is to joanie ernst plays a big role in this discussion. as

what do you say joanie ernst and what do you say lindsey graham?about franklin roosevelt, he had a girlfriend, he was there 112 years, he was there a long time. anybody report on that? no, don't say anything. that's our man. how about supreme court justice douglas? he was known to be running around conference table chasing women. i think he was on his 20th marriage or something like that. well known alleged womennizer, i can go on and on. if you start, there's no end to this. if we go through members of congress who are drunks, who are womenizers it's just beyond belief and yet they are, we have a right to the advise and consent, yes, we do. we have a right to pass judgment on anybody that comes before us here, yes, you do. and we have a right to pass judgment on your hypocrisy. what about the great winston churchill, one of my great, great heros. he drank in the morning, afternoon and night but he wasn't a drunk. he could handle his booze but he drank. that didn't stop him from being one of the greatest statesmen of u.s. history. grant, well-known

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senators like joanie ernst, the first female combat veteran to be elected to the senate.s was senator lisa murkowski at an event for the centers group no labels this week. >> my friend joanie ernst, who is probably one of the more conservative, principled republican leaders in the senate right now, is being hung out to dry for not being good enough. and you're going to get primaried. >> meanwhile, ver at the white house, president biden commuted the sentences of 1500. that's more than any other president commuted in a single day. many of the 39 who received pardons were convicted of nonviolent offenses and completed their sentences. this move wipes away their criminal records. the 1500 whose sentences were commuted were released from prison more than a year ago under a pandemic-era law to reduce prison crowding. and there could also be more. president biden said in a statement he will take, quote, more steps in the weeks ahead. white house lawyers said many recipients have volunteered in their community, pursued their education and even served their country after pleading

. >> that's republican senator joanie earn ask of -- joanie earn ask of iowa responding to questions about donald trump's nominee for defense secretary. she's a key vote. while she isn't supporting pete hegseth just yet, there are other senators who are doing so publicly. we'll have more from hegseth's fourth straight day of meetings on capitol hill. >>> meanwhile, an influential republican senator says another controversial cabinet pick is likely to get confirmed as fbi director. we'll play for you those comments about kash patel. >>> and we'll bring you the very latest in the search for the gunman who killed the united healthcare ceo as police release new members of images of a pers interest and new information about the suspect. >>> good morning, welcome on this friday, december 6th. thanks for starting your day with us. we have a lot to get to. we begin with pete hegseth who was back on capitol hill yesterday for a fourth straight day of meetings with senators amid growing questions about his confirmation chances. despite some reports suggesting that president-elect donald trump

the 260 is luigi, mend joanie is charged with the murder of united health care ceo, brian thompson in new york last week. and joe and he was arrested in pennsylvania after a 5 day man hunt. he's now fighting extradition to new york christmas. salumi is joining us from new york covering the story for us. so what came out of today's court appearance, kristen, or so to be clear, the suspect luigi man gianni the 26 year old is accused of a murder in new york. but he was arrested in pennsylvania where he is now facing additional charges related to the weapon that he was carrying and lying about his identity. so we are dealing with 2 different jurisdictions here, one of the new york, one in pennsylvania, and there is a process for man gianni to get from one place to the other. and his lawyers during that process today indicated that they would fight his extradition to new york, essentially slowing down the process. they now have 2 weeks in order to file motions with the court in pennsylvania. authorities in pennsylvania say that they are working with the new york authorities and that they s

. >> reporter: joany lives right next door. >> i did the looney tunes.uzz lightyear and all of that. >> reporter: and the joy of the season and tradition outsidelines the electric bill. >> the electric bill doubles during the month of december. you know that is okay. it is all for the kids and the fun and joy of candy cane lane. >> come nighttime everyone agrees it is worth it. >> it does snow here on candy cane lane. >> what does it feel like? >> so magical. ♪ have yourself a merry little christmas.. >> if you missed any of our stories, join us for the decked out for the holiday special. it is airing christmas eve and christmas day. so fun. i love candy cane lane. it is in pleasanton. >> the only snow you will find in the bay area. >> and you might find santa just walking around there, too. >> oh, okay. just letting you know. >> the big man has a big day. >> he makes the stops to all of the decked out places >> he may be flying through raindrops on christmas eve night. we will get into that. big picture pattern here. things are about to shift. we have b

water is just days later, people would lose that homes and sometimes even that lives the spots out joanie begins before best modem, 1000 kilometers. the north south polo is in a mega city melting pot and the cultural and economic call to brazil. it's home to more than 12000000 people. over the centuries, people have come here from complex countries. some came voluntarily from europe or asia. others would come to consent to brazil as slaves. around 1900, the city experienced a huge influx of immigrants, new come as drove industrialization and up in ice ation. the focus of the countries immigration museum located on a historically significant railroad line. yet is that the main check right here on this platform is where the trains from the panels. so santos arrived retiring immigrant. that sort of sales immigrants, but i come from 1897 until the 19 seventy's. this was brazil's largest home immigrants. people's luggage would be disinfected here you arrivals would be registered and given medical checks, the listed under nickels productive on still was billed to comfortably house 2 to 3000 peo

we reached out to multiple people associated with stanford or anyone else who may have known and joanie try to talk about what his time here in the bay area was like. but so far, no luck. but many people he is tied to have been putting their social media profiles on private. stands to reason. jack moment. thank you for that. i know you'll stay on the case. and coming up tonight at 6.30, we will have. >> a live report from philadelphia with the very latest on that investigation. >> of the peninsula person is dead tonight after being stabbed in redwood city home. police say that it was a case of domestic violence. it happened just after 10, 30 last night on 7th avenue. police say the suspect identified as 57 year-old juan garcia call them and said that he just stabbed the victim. officers tried to save her life, but she died from her injuries. garcia was arrested and booked into jail. not clear what his relationship was with the victim. >> tonight, a search is underway for the suspect or suspects who police say injured 2 people in a shooting on highway. 24 in orinda police got the call ab

and the would you mind joanie is accused of choosing united health to see your ryan thompson in new york. 2 weeks ago. the case attracted worldwide attention with many online criticizing the insurance industry and on affordable health care. this was a frightening, well planned, targeted murder that was intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. it incurred and one of the most bustling parts of our city. straining the safety of local residents, interest the likes, commuters, and business people just starting out on their day. let me say this plainly. there is no heroism in what men gianni did. this was a senseless act of violence. it was a cold and calculated crime that stole a life and putting new yorkers at risk. we don't celebrate murders and we don't lie and ice the killing of any one and any attempt to rationalize this is a vile, reckless and offensive to our deeply held principles of justice. civil rights activists and ongoing are expressing frustration with a new law that aims to protect stages distortions from vandalism during protests. they say that legislation is un

it will be targeted at the state of iowa, the home of republican senator joanie ernst that expressedicism of pete hegseth's nomination. as i support pete through the process, i look forward to a fair hearing. that statement appears to be the result of a public pressure campaign from trump world. last week, donald trump, jr. attacked ernst on x calling her a disgrace. they say that they make life uncomfortable for people that oppose him. and they stay is a warning for others that express skepticism of his personnel choices. this comes as trump is mounting a more explicit campaign to punish his critics. he told nbc news that he wants members of the january 6th committee to be put in jail. >> for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> reporter: you think liz chenney should go to jail? >> anybody that voted in favor. >> joining me now is congressman paul from washington state and the chair for the professional caucus till the end of this year. there is no better time to talk to you than right now. what is the mood inside the democratic caucuses that you have and what does it

would you mind joanie is accused of shooting dead unitedhealthcare ceo bryan thompson in new york. 2 weeks ago, the case attracted worldwide attention with many online criticizing the insurance industry and on affordable health care. now decade ago, leaders of the us and cuba made a both decision to enter the cold war that had kept them in a stale made for more than half a century diplomatic relations wherever he sold. and then you can all make him bother with ease. but less than a year later, the trump administration reversed the policy a lot in america, edison lucy in human resource. on december 18th, 2014 former us president for rock obama and cuban president and held cash to surprise the world with an unexpected announcement of instructed sector, carry to immediately begin discussions with cuba to reestablish and diplomatic relations that have been separate since january of 1961 the decision name.

>> it does appear that he is momentum when there were under predictions as soon as joanie ernst said i'm not going supporting him that others would fall in line. that is something that could still happen. they have both ben not as candidate about their meetings with him. they have not outright said, i'm feeling better. we had heard from ernst earlier this week that appeared to believe softening to him. but from what i've talked to, people that i've talked to, if he comes out and says, i've been in the military, i cannot outright support this pick, we're going to see others coming out immediately. that is similar what happened with matt gates. we have the confirmation hearings ahead. i think some senators that are the trump loyalist camp wanted him in a different positions. those are tough hearings, if he lasts that long, actually change some minds of people that right now are feeling like, okay, i think i can support him at this point. >> that is a key question. if it looks like he doesn't have the support, does he go with the hearings. or does trump pull him back and go with someone

it was a mcdonald's worker who recognized and joanie and called police who arrested him inside the altoona, pennsylvania restaurant, one worker that actually. >> but it was him. >> she said between his eyes and his eyebrows. she says, i like took his order was like. she got in her mind. oh, my it's you >> court documents made public today. a detective says when he was taken into custody and yoni was wearing a blue medical mask and was using a laptop. police say he had a 3 d printed gun and silencer on him like the one used in the shooting as well as a 3 page handwritten manifesto expressing anger at what he called a parasitic health insurance companies and corporate greed and a fake new jersey. i d according to a law enforcement bulletin obtained by the associated press and joni allegedly appear to view the targeted killing of the united healthcare ceo as a symbolic take down asserting in his writings that he is the quote first to face it with such a brutal honesty. the white house addressing all of this today, whether it's political violence or any kind of violence, we are going to. >> we

your honor outside of crowd of supporters chanted for him and joanie and against the health care industrydefense are still ironing out those custody details trying to decide which facility which and tony will spend his days leading up to trial, a federal one or state one. he is due back in court sometime in early 2025. for this particular state case. back to you. >> meanwhile, i'm angie only is being held not as a villain, but as a hero by some. several are pointing to a health care system riddled with high costs and major disparities, 2 out of 5 adults say they delay visiting the doctor or filling prescriptions because of the high cost. and for those who do get care, one-third say they become burdens with the medical debt. >> right now i'm living with my parents because i can't afford to have house and that's from my fiscal impacts of my illness. but also the financial impacts too, of just paying for what it takes to keep me alive. and on social media support has been growing for manji oni, especially among the younger generation. >> all of this other big i was so scared. violence not th

joani ernst changed her tune on defense secretary pick pete hegseth. senator bill cassidy, one of the four remaining senate republicans who voted to ach trump, are the next pressure targets. hegseth is set to meet with more senators. senator fetterman will be the first democrat to sit down with hegseth. yesterday, he spoke with another key moderate republican who could determine whether or not he's confirmed and that's senator susan collins of maine. ken, we should note on joni ernst, her response was warmer this week than last week, she's still not committed to vote for his confirmation. tell us the latest you know about that. more broadly, the idea, trump he walked away from the gaetz' pick, he won't do that for any others. >> no, they're digging in on hegseth, i think trump really wants him to get across the finish line, you know you have to look at the numbers, 53-47 margin in the senate in january when the new congress comes in. and so, you can ill afford to lose that many republicans here. you're not expecting any democratic votes. so as a result

we also reached out to any contacts we know who may have known and joanie during his time here in the bay area, specifically at stanford. we have also not heard back yet reporting here in the newsroom, jack moment, kron 4 news. all right, jack, so many questions. thank you for that. and coming up in about 5 minutes, we're going to live to altoona, pennsylvania for more on how police have found this sent the person of interest members of the jury. meantime, in the murder trial of nima, many, they gathered again today, their 3rd day of deliberations to determine if he murdered cash app founder bob lee last year. kron four's rob nesbitt has been covering this trial and joins us now live at the courthouse with details. >> vicki, i spoke with the lead defense for many today over the phone and that attorney is still in miami where he lives. he was not here in court in person, but he's told me that he did appear before the judge over zoom. that attorney has been here for every part of this trial for the last 6 weeks. not sure what it means that he wasn't here today, but a verdict has not bee

>> well, depart from remarks is joani appears to oppose pete hegseth the maga base came out stronglynsition team. and suddenly, she started to look around and realized like oh my, this might be a mistake and started to let's say warm towards pete hegseth for defense secretary. at the same time tom cotton the arkansas senator, took a different approach and essentially told the conference look i expect everyone in our conference to support the republican president's nominees and confirm them. so, those two tell the story of what the senators in the body politic face which is get on the trump train or get tied to the tracks. and all indications right now from a lot of the senators are that they are on the trump train to tom cotton's . by the way, he released clinton's presidency there were two no votes from a president's members of his own party against his own nominees. making both the trump transition team and the republicans who support him is that you must vote along the lines of what the president wants what donald trump wants, because that is history and that's when we do. >> so.

reporter: one of the republican senators hegseth and trump are trying to persuade, combat veteran joaniehe wants to make sure the allegations have been cleared. she's also going to meet again with hegseth next week and that their conversations have been constructive. other republicans argue the senate should just confirm the cabinet trump wants. >> a new president gets to choose his or her team, and he has the right to choose the people that he wants to fulfill this mandate that he's been given by the american people. and it's not right for them to go through and do what they're doing. this character assassination, i think, is over the top, and it does have a deterring effect of better people getting involved in the system. >> reporter: of -- another controversial mom nearby tulsi gabbard. -- nominee. tulsi gabbard, picked as director of national intelligence. among those concerns, sympathetic comments about russia and her meeting with basharal as -- bashar al assad. trump commented on what's going on in syria earlier today. he said syria is a mess, not a friend of the united states, but

. >> like joanie ni ernst and som the women senators.el steele, kash patel is controversial for trump's fbi director, profoundly unqualified yesterday, so could kash patel and pete hegseth survive this nomination process and get to a vote? >> yeah they will to the extent that republican senators want them to. look, they are the third branch of government, the legislative branch. they have a constitutional commitment and obligation to uphold their end of the deal, advise and consent. if they want to bend over and give that to trump by, you know, just avoiding the obvious, and hoping it all goes away and they don't have to cast those votes and they want to sit quietly in the corner and let trump stomp all over their constitutional authority that's what's going to happen. look, if they don't -- the -- kash patel, hegseth, tulsi gabbard, are woefully unqualified for the positions that they've been put up for pr they should not be within ten miles of washington, d.c. running anything. and the senators can assert that authority by saying, mr.

your honor outside of crowd of supporters chanted for him and joanie and against the health care industryosecution and the defense are still ironing out those custody details trying to decide which facility which and tony will spend his days leading up to trial, a federal one or state one. he is due back in court sometime in early 2025. for this particular state case. back to you. >> meanwhile, men gianni is being held not as a villain, but as a hero. >> pointing to a health care system riddled with high cost and major disparities, 2 out of 5 adults, save it delayed visit and visiting a doctor or filling prescriptions because of high cost. and for those who do get care, one-third say they become burdened with medical debt. >> i'm living with my parents because i can't afford to have house and that's from my fiscal impacts of my illness. but also the financial impacts too, of just paying for what it takes to keep me alive. >> and social media support has been growing from angie, only especially among the younger generation. >> see as other big i was so scared. violence not the answer. and

oh my gosh, does he ever and we'd just ask us senator joanie or it's from iowa just last week. she was in the cross hairs. she walked right into the buzz of mag and nation because of her opposition to uh, secretary, defense nominee pete hag. stuff. she barely very quickly had to walk that back because they were threatening primaries against them. the primary election obviously is when you run against people from your own party and a lot of the districts, the way that they're drawn. uh, that's usually the real election. and donald trump is already threatening members of the house with the same thing that he threatened to join errands, which is to run someone against them in their next primary election in 2026. and also the republican house speaker, mike johnson. i mean, he was a show and was in the for the next congress. and now that's looking on something as well. and it's looking more than uncertain. right now we know that the people who gotten rid of speaker mccarthy did so because they wanted really to get into the details of the budget to get the nice out and to start doing

and us health insurance executive will return to new york to face state murder charges. luigi mon. joanie agreed to be extradited during a court appearance in pennsylvania, where he was arrested last week. the 26 year old is accused of killing brian thompson, outside of manhattan hotel. earlier this month. and journey is now also facing new federal charges of murder and stalking. one of them could bring the possibility of the death penalty as politicians in the united states have been scrambling to find a way to prevent a government shutdown this weekend's republican house speaker mike johnson held meetings on thursday morning to find a solution. after president elect, donald trump told his party to reject a bi partisan spending bill on wednesday. trump said the deal about the democratic party requests and demand and congress to eliminate the nation's debt ceiling before he takes office next month. the debt ceiling is the limits on the amount of money the us government can borrow to pay for services like social security and health care and military and the deadline to keep the government

and joanie's attorney will be out front. plus, ted kaczynski's brother has a message for the ceo murder suspect who repeatedly praised the unabomber. this is an outfront exclusive. and new details tonight about the relationship between vladimir putin and the failed dictator. he's hiding in russia. and what bashar al assad's son was doing on the very day aleppo fell. let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, we begin with breaking news, more charges. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, says he's confident that the alleged killer, luigi mangione, will be extradited to new york and quickly, and that he could face more legal trouble. telling abc news moments ago, and i quote the district attorney, as we learn more about motives and other things like that, there may be additional charges. it comes as troubling new details are emerging about the alleged killer luigi mangione and the months leading up to the assassination in midtown manhattan. our jon miller this hour is reporting the suspec

and joanie's attorney will be out front. plus, ted kaczynski's brother has a message for the ceo murder suspect who repeatedly praised the unabomber. this is an outfront exclusive. and new details tonight about the relationship between vladimir putin and the failed dictator. he's hiding in russia. and what bashar al assad's son was doing on the very day aleppo fell. let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, we begin with breaking news, more charges. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, says he's confident that the alleged killer, luigi mangione, will be extradited to new york and quickly, and that he could face more legal trouble. telling abc news moments ago, and i quote the district attorney, as we learn more about motives and other things like that, there may be additional charges. it comes as troubling new details are emerging about the alleged killer luigi mangione and the

carrying of a health insurance executive has been charged with murder as an act of terrorism. luigi mind joanie is accused of shooting dad's unitedhealthcare cl, brian thompson in new york. 2 weeks ago, the case attracted worldwide worldwide attention with many online criticizing the insurance industry and an affordable health care. this was a frightening, well planned, targeted murder that was intended to cause shock and attention and intimidation. it incurred and one of the most bustling parts of our city, draining the safety of local residents interest, so like commuters and business people just starting out on their day. let me say this plainly. there is no heroism in what men gianni did. this was a senseless act of violence. it was a cold and calculated crime that stole a life and putting new yorkers at risk. we don't celebrate murders, and we don't lie, an ice the killing of any one and any attempt to rationalize this is a vile, reckless and offensive to our deeply held principles of justice. randi selling is a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. he says the severity of the c

the fact that a lot of senators, including senator joanie ernst, a combat veteran herself, still have ernst will be meeting with hegseth this coming week. >> that will be an important one. you covered a lot of ground. beyond pete hegseth, what stood out to you? >> this was an interview that lasted nearly an hour and a half. this was a wide-ranging interview. and we diss cussed a range of toings, including his priorities for his first 100 days on the economy, terrorists, the border, of course as well as healthcare, foreign policy entanglements from ukraine to the middle east. he confirmed nbc's reporting that he is planning to sign a flurry of executive orders, you guys, on his very first day in office. i asked him if that could potentially face some legal action. that's what you would expect with executive actions. we have seen that, of course, in past administrations. he acknowledged, of course, that's a possibility. but he really lays out his vision not just for the first 100 days but for his next four years. >> and previews his remarks for his innaug rabble address as well which wi

including florida governor ron desantis, a navy veteran, and iowa senator joanie ernst, who served inuard and met with hegseth wednesday. >> it was a frank and thorough conversation. >> did he ask you for your vote specifically? >> thank you. >> reporter: president-elect trump keeps rolling out his picks for his new administration with more than a dozen wednesday alone, including billionaire entrepreneur jared isaacman to head up nasa. isaacman has flown to space twice on commercial missions by spacex, whose ceo elon musk, of course, is a top trump ally. hoda? >> all right, peter alexander at the white house. peter, thanks. >>> also this morning, we're learning more about an alarming incident in northern california, a gunman opening fire at an elementary school, injuring two students. nbc's liz kreutz joins us with new details this morning. liz, good morning to you. >> good morning to you, savannah. it happened near oralville, california, an hour outside sacramento. at a small private elementary school. authorities say the two victims are boys, ages 5 and 6. currently in extremely cri

hegseth, who has called the report smears sitting for a second time with skeptical iowa republican, joanie ernst, herself a combat veteran and sexual assault survivor. >> he is very supportive of women in the military. >> ernst calling their conversations encouraging. after the meeting, hegseth using a fox news interview to clarify his position on women in combat. >> some of our greatest warriors, our best warriors out there are women who served thih -- right their right hand to defend this country and love our nation. >> reporter: appearing to reverse his previous opposition. >> because i'm straight up saying we should not have women in combat roles. >> reporter: meanwhile, two other trump selections having their first days of meetings with republican lawmakers, including director of national intelligence selection tulsi gabbard. an army reserve lieu ten nanl konl and former congresswoman who ran for president as a democrat is likely to face scrutiny over russia and past sympathies toward the assad regime in syria. >> assad is not the enemy of the united states. >> reporter: saying monday

you had senator joanie ernst come out and say she had met again with the former fox news host.he rest, i think it just -- it's a time game. see to what extent they get the support from these republicans and to what extent the lawmakers are willing, if they get that far to stand up to the president-elect and say, no, this is not what we want. that's what they did with gaetz, to some extent. gaetz ended up resigning or pulling out. see if that happens to anybody else. >> rev, interesting editorial board column by "the washington post" going off of this kristen welker, "meet the press" interview says trump tries a softer tone and a harder one, too. for trump 2.0, prepare for the worst but do not assume at every turn. fascinating because, of course, for us, and i think for everybody else, the headline was, arrest liz cheney, arrest binny thompson, arrest everybody. no, no, no. i'm not going to call for that. but what the "post" is saying, sift through that, but also look where he talks about wanting compromise on immigration, wanting compromise possibly on abortion. that's hard for