joanna coles was a brilliant, hard-charging reporter for years and then became an editor for titles likeo is, joanna, you've worked your way through- >> i've charged my way. >> -- a very, very difficult environment. what's your reaction to the me too movement, to all the stuff swirling around. >> i'm thrilled by the me too movement. i think it's fantastic that women have been able to share their stories and realize this is a systemic problem in our work forces. but what i don't want people to lose sight of is the fact we all have to get on together. we all want to fall in love because that's the stuff of life. it's what excites us. what we don't want is abuse of power at the heart of that and all kinds of unconsensual sex, which is unappealing to everybody. >> and it seems to me the key is power, that you can't in any way use your power to force a relationship -- >> you can't abuse power. i think google has introduced a view that you can invite a colleague out once on a date and that's enough. relationships are complicated, aren't they? but clearly we need enforcement, we need to hold pe

but more importantly, joanna coles is with us this morning. chief content officer at hearst.course a board member of snap and executive producer of television extraordinary >> i have to say i can't see as many naked people as you promised me. so whsomewhat disappointing but everyone's looking fabulous. >> help me with this when we were talking before we came on, there seems to be a little -- despite the weather, there seems to be a bit of anxiety here about the state of the media and the state of advertising right now. >> i think if you were to look for themes panic might be a theme. >> that's worse than anxiety that's panic >> i think there's an element of panic. and i think that i was just talking to the head of a media agency who's talking about the book that's caused some of this panic. ken auletta's "frenemies" which is about the holding companies and how everybody is dealing with the digital age and the platforms taking on the work themselves. that book, we just don't look classy anymore and you get this sense that advertising used to be this glamorous industry, second

this is based on joanna coles, who is the editor in chief of -- >> yes.seth: she moved up. >> seth: she's an ep on the show. what was it like when you first met her? >> well, i booked the show and they were like, you should go to "cosmo," meet joanna and meet some writers. and i had had been to hurst, but, like, not really, and i didn't really know my way around. but there are these huge escalators. and so, i got to the top of the escalator and i knew what joanna looked like. and so, i get to the top and she was up at the top. and, idiot me, i was like, she's here to greet me. [ light laughter ] she doesn't greet people. and so, she was talking to ligh] d happening and i was like, "oh, my god." and i was like, "i'm katie on -- on 'the bold type.'" and she goes, "oh, katie. this is the star of our new show." and then she brought me up to the office and she would like, carry me around to like, all the writers, the people in fashion department, but she would carry me there and then leave me. so, it was, like, she just dropped me off. and she was like, "this