here to talk about cleaning up pt earth are joanna fisher, who is a volunteer program manager for thenacostia watershed society. jim foster is president of the aws. and dolly davis is a volunteer and a resident, you live nearby this wonderful resource of ours. welcome on to "viewpoint" this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. you. the epa's chesapeake bay program director, also vice chair of the anacostia watershed citizens advisory committee, says the river's visitation is on the upswing. is it? >> absolutely. >> it's been a long hall, though, hasn't it? >> it has. we've told people for two generations, don't go there, the water's dirty, and you know what, they don't go there. so, frankly, my biggest challenge is to change the frame of reference that people have about the anacostia. when you say shenandoah, they get all bleary and teary-eyed, but when you say anacostia, they go, don't go there. >> what do you think is the most important change? >> i think it's really been cleaning the river up. we consider trash, for instance, to be a psychological toxic, that people don't want to c