joanna harper, she looked at runners who i transgender the 89 elite athletes.py is a due showed that in terms of the new levels of fat they had their bodies, the loss of muscle mass, the loss of strength, there is a real impact from hormone therapy that did mean that they were therapy that did mean that they were the same as transgender women as they had been as men. the directors all the benefits that i mentioned are thereon and it was a non— elite pub —— knowledge people they were using. i accept there is an awful lot evidence the opposite way. but that of a honestly sitting here and tell me that you don't believe that men are stronger than ever? no, i'm not saying that at all. i can tell you category —— categorically that the level is 10%. by the people who suffer from this condition, gender dysphoria and they are wanting to transition, they are transgender, you seem transition, they are transgender, you seem to be suggesting some of them may do it to seek glory and victory in a sporting arena and i am saying... he was saying they have gender dysphoria?” say