let's also bring in joanna stern. she is at the "wall street journal" and a cnbc contributor. good to have you. may main source of confusion is about the structure of this. so oracle is more than a partner? they have a minority stake presumably they will benefit financially. i don't know how or whether this will solve all the questions around tiktok's algorithms do we know those details yet >> we don't know those details yet. i keep thinking of oracle as a babysitter here. this is the u.s. babysitter for bytedance. i think all of this will come down to the housing of data, the security of data and privacy how can oracle use its infrastructure in the u.s., its infrastructure in a u.s.-based company to make sure our american user data is safer than what we had all sort of feared that it would be in the hands of a chinese company. >> i like the babysitter analogy, but again, you could also argue, well, a babysitter doesn't do much. you make sure the kids are alive, but on top of that -- >> it depends on the age of the kid. >> exactly the parents are still the parents. so here is

we have joanna stern watching these closely and has for awhile joanna welcome, let's start with the ipadke what you did there with the watches >> i'm all about the puns. >> they all came after apple hard trying to take tablet share. people at large didn't buy it. what did they get wrong? >>. >> well, if you really think back, they got the apps wrong. that was the biggest issue and then we had other people try to find different ways to use the tablet so they had a race, but apple had the combination from the get go with the as and the eco system around the ipad age the rest were good for apple's business, but also for the consumers. >> joanna, the inverse, perhaps apple got. the inverse, maybe apple got the tab let right, but we have been talking about the education space, and google and chrome book had the lead there. what do you think apple needs to do to catch up it is potentially a very lucrative space >> yeah, it is a really interesting comparison between an ipad and a chrome book. it has been cost and durability. if you are going to deploy these laptops to all of your students, you

but i think we should bring in "the wall street journal's" joanna stern with us now joanna, you chronicles stuff. you test this stuff. the product itself doesn't scare me but there has never been a consumer electronics part that i'm more afraid of getting hacked >> you know, the reaction i had to this, i think, is probably how most people are feeling. on one hand, technically, i'm like, holy crap look at this thing. we can have a drone that autonomously flies around our house, and can look at things when we're not there seems creepy, but technically, kind of amazing. 2020 not the best year, but by 2020, we've got an autonomous drone in our house. on the other side, you're sort of like, hell, no, i'm not going to put this product from a major tech company in my house with the risk of it getting hacked. that amazon itself has access to this footage there are so many security and privacy questions in that second bucket, that it's, i think, really hard to figure out which one to focus on first. >> joanna, though, it's interesting that it does have that reflex response i think we all probably