joanne freeman.in most circumstances, all of you to overpower a politician. >> oh, easily so with the exception of me, all of those great minds gathered there, that gaggle of gregarious, you know, talkers. but what was interesting is that with ease and simplicity, with simple grace and high eloquence this man, the president of the united states of america, somehowed that he was humble enough to receive the input of these figures and yet great enough to engage them in a very serious and honest conversation. he didn't have to pretend he knew everything but what he knew was wide and broad. and in many cases much deeper than people have ever acknowledged. but also, it was the possibility of the curiosity and the result of that curiosity. it is to relate what i want to know to what i have to do so that practice and theory -- i call it extreme -- >> michael, did he ask for advice? >> he certainly wanted to know what we thought about particular issues and crises. i don't want to say -- i don't think the pre