i'm about to talk to joanne freeman, the historian. i've never, i cannot recall somebody running for office on a platform that includes a promise of pardoning people who committed crimes in his name. >> it really is remarkable. i think at some point traveled down into the individuals who -- being focused on here. trump hasn't really identified anyone who he really thinks is getting the book thrown at them or is being mistreated. he spoke very generally and talked about sort of blanket pardons. donald trump jr., last week just promoted this individual named -- support campaign for this individual name ryan nichols. there was a video filmed by ryan nichols, his wife in which he declares that right nichols which is someone who is peacefully want to go down to the capitol on january 6th and ryan nichols own words and video that's explicitly why he did not get out of the capitol. he is on a video recording himself talking about dragging politicians through the streets. when he gets there, he's on video pepper spraying officers with the gian

immediately why those were chosen and then we will begin with thomas jefferson by starting with joanne freeman who is the class of professor of american studies at yale university and the author of affairs honor. she is the editor of hamilton and the most recent book that i highly recommend is violence in congress and the road to civil war. so join please tell us why we should hate jefferson. [laughter] >> okay. i always check when i do anything that everyone can hear me? so now i will discuss why certainly some people hated thomas jefferson. i want to begin by saying in recent years when i have been asked what moments in american history echoes this president want my responses is the late 17 nineties as an early american as i am aware the late 17 nineties does not have some of the pizzazz as the 18 fifties in the civil war but the intense polarization of federalist and republicans , the extreme of the ring as an american the press predictions on both sides of chaos and tyranny and anarchy with a burst violence as john adams later described as terrorism actually using that word, the echoes of