we have bob hallway and joanne loring and pete rossi is here. i hope i didn't miss anyone.aron, did did i? i want you leslie thank this incredible panel if true conversation for the ages. thank god c-span was here to archive it forever for posterity event. thank you all. [applause] there is a reception after. please stick around and have a drink and food. there is a book signing. and janet dayton. [inaudible conversations] for more information visit the author's web site thane rosenbaum.com. >> the system of mass incarceration is so deeply-rooted in our social political and economic structure that it's not going to just fade away or downsize out of sight without a major upheaval of radical shift in our public consciousness. now i know that there are many people today who will say oh, you know there is no hope of ending mass incarceration in america. no, no, pick another issue. just as many people were resigned to jim crow in the south and would say yeah, yeah that's a shame, it's a shame but that's just the way that it is. so many people today millions cycling in and out of