if you were to go that route, what would happen is, yes, cape town and joburg would do very well, but the other areas that have still got to be electrified would remain behind. so the state monopoly continues. no, it's not the state, we are talking about private sector participation. and the fact that they want to do this... they are part of the state, by the way, as cape town, they are part of the state. it's the question of each individual municipality doing that on their own, which means that those who have the resources will get the electricity, and those who are poor, who's going to provide for them? eskom is in such a state of collapse that there is a very real possibility it will go bankrupt. its debt over the next few years is due to rise, according to current projections, to, as i understand it, around 600 billion rand. how has this happened? i'm not sure about the 600 billion, but, yes, it's very high, and it's one of the reasons that the current minister is actually speaking to the private sector in terms of their participation, so that we do not reach that point. the reali