. >> well, joby, where does eric holder -- i mean, we were heing that he could be moving closer to an investigation. we've heard the president y that the justice department should actyou kn, alon it should no be a tool used by the president. are ey very far apart, the obamadministration and i s that obviously as thesident beinghe lea and what we're seeing from the attorney general? >>es, i think they honestly haveot decided this. there's increasingly prsure on the obama administration do something at least half a loaf

>> joby, i think for some peoplet me just say oneuss at leaste've heard in this hour of the show withmyself and david is people are struck by the fact thatleon panetta did not learn about this program until june 23rd. he'd already ben on the job many weeks, ended it june24th the cia dector didn't kno so that's one fussout this. >> yes. it is strikg, and i think panetta has en saying he wants better relatns with th congreional committeand so soon as he learned about this when he gets his inial briefing, heoes straight the hill and says her is something we didn't tell you about beforeand felt there was an obgation to tell congress so this becomes the controversy, was the cia obliged to tell congress ear, whats as it not? it still nds to be sorted out. >> here is one of the thin that's also cfusing. ift was ch a great program th the cia was doing, then why didn't panetta stick th it? obviously, tre must have been some reason why he felt likhe neededo stop it immediately and why the cia felt they neede to keep it fr congress, rght? >>yeah. there's me veryig missing details. we've goa litt

. >> joby, give me a percentage chance that osama bin laden is still alive?>> there's pretty good chance. i wish i could say exactly. i guess, you know, if agency people were saying, probably 80, 90%. every now and then you hear about his demise. it's fairly positive he's still around. he's probably still in this a a area. it's just extremely hard to find the senior leaders because they're well protected. and even the top taliban commanders in pakistan don't know exactly where he is. >> okay from "the washington post." joby warrick, always good to talk to up. >>> new hopes that economic recovery could be on the hori n horizon. the dow soaring hundreds of points higher this week. crossing the 9,000 mark for the first time since january and gaining 12% in two weeks. on friday federal regulators closed seven more banks. six in georgia, one in new york, and that brings the number of federally insured banks closed so far this year to 64. and right at the height of the summer travel season, american airlines is now tacking on another fee. it's now going to cost $20

now 's the j joby pelosi to te all l three commitittees knit t them gether over e gust recess, bng to the flflin sepeptemb. >> noomall feat that's jt in thehe use. what abo the sene?e? >> they'y're n there y. th g got gd news todays s we. ththe sce keeporis the congngressionanal budgfffficice said the al thehey'y're lkiking awowould d alal be low w a trilon dolland cover 95ofof ican b they do n have e a agreeeement y one of the ts h hololding it u up is the republilicans say anyththing th agrgreeee till l haveve too holdd all ththe wastlouthrougthe procesess wiwith t the house and the senate. >> and in the meantime, th're going go home the rerecess. is thahagoing g to chae anyone's ndnd, y t think >> tt's a qutionon, and a a t of dococrats and republilicans belie 'smpmportatant to slow down and heafrom the constuents. this is going toto take ng timeme. i heard fr key n negia on the house and nanate side who sa don't be rprirised ife don't fifinishhihis until christmas.s. >> christmas wheorally thehe esident had said augugust. thanksks smuchch.. >>> now toxclusiveve terview with t theh

extremely in-depth reporting from joby warrick.for being with us. >>> a tragic dent has marred today's 14th stage of the tour de france. a woman spectator was hit by a police motorcycle on escort duty while trying to cross the street. she died at the scene. two other fans were injured when the motorcycle skidded into them. >>> pope benedict xvi made his first public appearance this morning since undergoing surgery for a fractured wrist on friday. pope looked strong as he led mass in a northern italian village. he did use his left hand, however, to shake hands with well wishers. not surprisingly. >>> tomorrow nasa will mark the 40th anniversary of man walking on the moon with one simple step from neil armstrong, he had reached a milestone for all mankind. but where does the american space program go from here? joining us is historian and curator of the apollo collection at the national air and space museum. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let me ask you first. tomorrow is the anniversary. what are you