jocelyn carter went to spoil it for me, because i was very happy at the homestead, and some of her staff were coming to the homestead regularly and saw my work and approached me one day and said roland, mrs. carter is looking for a pastry chef, but you apply? i said no, i am very happy here. i don't want to go to washington. i understand that there is a mental problem in washington, and i'm not about to get the -- that disease. so, i am staying away from that place. so, fine, a few weeks later, they come back in the hotel and they start again on me. when are you going to come? i said oh, man, please, i already told you, no interest. so, they did that a couple of times. then, one time they called me in december 1979, they called me at my house, the white house called my house, and said roland, i am going to bring in employment sheet, and i want you to fill it and if you don't mind. and also, mrs. carter, wishes for you to come for a tour of the white house. that was a trick! so anyway, i accepted. and in those days i drove all the way from virginia to downtown dc to visit the white house.