>> she was never meek or quiet or reserved the way she is. the real jodiaggressive jodi you see talking to the prosecutor. that's the real jodi. >> i want to play a video your husband shot of travis telling a story about a near death experience. let's listen. >> tough people that's like pull the trigger or whatever. you one of those people who talks like they're tough. whatever. whatever, just to see how you'd react. >> what do you see? what kind of behavior do you see in her? >> um, in jodi, i see that she's very apathetic in that moment. she's annoyed almost like she doesn't want to be there. she doesn't care to hear this story. she's not interested in any way. and i know for me, if my husband had experienced something like that, and knowing travis, we were in that moment, we were so into his story, we were so in the moment with him experiencing it, it was very poignant for all of us. and she just -- she just didn't even care. it was almost like she was frustrated that she even had to waste her time listening to it. >> jacob, did you ever see this side o