joining us live to discuss that is jodi yarborough, board president of the nonprofit fear of flying. jodi, thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you for having me. >> hey, so what do you guys do at fear of flying? >> so we hold workshops and clinics where clients come and they learn about flying safety and aviation. a little bit of physics, a little bit of weather . and we have volunteer, clinical therapists and, you know, aviation experts who donate their time to present on these topics. so we're very, very thankful for these folks. >> so have you gotten an increase in calls recently from people, you know, we're a small nonprofit, so we run just a few clinics and workshops a year, i can't say i'm seeing demand up right now. there's always kind of a demand for this work in that. but, you know, i admitting your fear of flying, some stigma associated with it. so by the time folks get to us, it has really become a problem in their personal or their work life. and they've tried to avoid flying, a lot. so by the time they get to us, it's kind of like, okay, i really need to do something.