and from new york, we're joined by jody ginsburg, who is president of the committee to protect the journal. the simple and welcome to your template. stop with you. why on western journalist unions and media organizations showing more solidarity with palestinian journalists working in gauze of many of whom is we heard of paid with the lives well doing the jobs. you heard him the just a few moments ago. reporting from cause are these people are heroes? surely they should be loaded as such. i completely agree with you and i do think the kids are changing. clearly, as this complex started to the people whose default sympathies would be to the palestinians, or with the as writers, as, as the complex has continued them, particularly as the mortality writers, the death told of journalists has mounted up. and all people have increasingly come to realize something truly terrible is happening here. i'm actually i'm going to in this tokenize ations in the united states in the united kingdom. and one of the year that has been a significant support for jen listed in palestine and funds has been traveli