jody powell, carter's recounted press secretary to extort eisenstadt, the domestic policy via. walter mondale, obviously the vice president who also proceed to have a nervous breakdown during the period of time that we are discussing. and also probably perhaps well-known, if you know to say, jimmy carter's pollster pat caddell cabell caddell, who is the mastermind behind pushing harder to make the speech as he does. there are numerous fights within the white house over what carter should do to respond to the crisis. and the fights are acrimonious. they are brutal, and in one case there is a fight breaks out it goes on for 10 hours. this is the period of time in which walter mondale simply melts down and has to leave the room because he is so completely freak out at what is going on within the administration. there's people screaming at one another. that is expletives used. it's a very conflictual time. i'm not going to give the story only about all the ins and outs of the brutal fights, but there are a number of these that are very crucial to defining how carter is trying to st

director over john kerry's presidential campaign and their number two pr specialist from the agency of jody powell not as conservative as we think today. >> even that phrase nascar dads implies a southern white man who goes to the track every weekend. there's a big nascar racetrack in new hampshire. so this is a sport that has a lot of popularity around the country. i do think it is again kind of a regional emphasis down in the south. i think even we in the media world tend to pigeon hole these folks a lot. it's a popular sport. people like it. the president can be seen reach out to folks that normally he would not be seen hanging around with, why not. >> craig, thanks as always. we appreciate it. and you know, monica, it's hard to recognize those guys when they're not wearing their colorful racing outfits and numbers. it's hard to figure out who's who. >> i take it you're not watching every week, david. >> i every now and then tune in. if they walked by one of news a suit and tie, i would have no idea who they are. >> i met jeff gordon once, my claim to fame. >> nice guy. >> absolutely, very nice