some the preachers i would include as most popular are joe alstyne, td jakes, joyce meyer, creflo dollar, frederick price. really everyone -- avoiders a mega church in local sliver you'll find prosperity preacher but the trend is controversy. that was kind of the burden of writing this book is how to lump people in that would naturally resist that label. >> is some of those ministers participate in your book? >> they did. i managed to visit a quarter of all of what i didn't fight as fs prosperity megachurch but i didn't put him represent the ministry from almost every major ministry. i went to every major conference. i was the annoying person pressed up against the glass at every conference hoping to get a glimpse of what was going on. >> what did you hear? what kind of message are these churches preaching? >> i think what surprised me the most was that it wasn't so much about money. i thought national the prosperity gospel was wonderful surprising claims. sure if this is a gospel about money. what if it was people didn't talk about money nearly as much as i expected. the kind of excitem