i talked to joe arpaio shortly after he announced his bid for senate. ing that struck me most about my conversation with him was how much arpaio was -- how confident he was that the republican party had come fully in his direction. and that's where we are. and he knows it and we all know it. >> all right, christina greer, sam seder, mckay coppins, thank you for being with me tonight. >>> to our daily podcast, every day the latest episodes of our show. even if you just watched it, now you can listen to it too. subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. that's all for this evening. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >>> a lot of news tonight including the trump legal team shake up. ty cobb is out, and clinton impeachment lawyer emmet flood is in. one of the reporters who broke the news is here with us tonight. >>> also tonight, did rudy giuliani just do his client donald trump terrible damage on live television on fox news tonight as he announces trump paid cohen back the $130,000 given to stormy daniels? >>> plus, the changes still to come f

i talked to joe arpaio shortly after he announced his bid for senate. conversation with him was how much arpaio was -- how confident he was that the republican party had come fully in his direction. and that's where we are. and he knows it and we all know it. >> all right, christina mcgreer, mckay coppins, thank you for being with me tonight. >>> to our daily podcast, every day the latest episodes of our show. even if you just watched it, now you can listen to it too. subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. that's all for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> makes it sink in defendant. seeing it is a cool medium. >> it's the distracting advivis of yours truly. you just can't take it in the words. this help. >> is that what we're calling it, distracting? you big hunk of host you. >> that's me. >> thank you, chris. well done. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. no distracting visage here. i know. all right. paul manafort was fired or he resigned as donald trump's campaign chairma

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he spent a lifetime in law enforce many, sheriff joe arpaio. i'm honored to have you here. >> what did you make of vice president pence's kind words for joe arpaio? >> vice president pence is a kind man. his words reflect that. having said that, there aren't many people in arizona who look to joe arpaio as a paragon of the rule of law or virtue in this sense. so i think it was unfortunate because we need the rule of law. that's not what we had under joe arpaio, under his time as sheriff of maricopa county. the voters turned him out by double digits. i just don't think that it's proper to refer to him in that way. >> all right, senator jeff flake, republican from arizona, i'm going to leave it there, senator. one quick thing -- one quick thing -- have you ruled out running for president? >> it's not in my plan, but i have not ruled anything out. i do hope somebody runs on the republican side other than the president. if nothing else simply to remind republicans what conservatism is and what republicans have traditionally stood for. >> and if you

mike pence was at an event and former joe arpaio he was in the room.ember, arpaio was convicted of contemptive court for refusing to stop racially profiling hispanics. this is what the vice president said. >> i just found out when i was walking through the door that we were also going to be joined today by another favorite, a great friend of this president, a tireless champion of strong borders and the rule of law, spent a lifetime in law enforcement, sheriff joe arpaio, i'm honored to have you here. >> i'm honored to have you here, errol. president trump did pardon sheriff joe, but that doesn't eliminate the fact that he was convicted for the crimes he was convicted of. how do you take? >> yeah. it's very sad because there was -- there were deaths in custody in the lockup. there were people who were frankly tortured. there was rampant misconduct that led to the investigation which in turn led to the crimes of which the sheriff joe arpaio was convicted. it is a very sad day when simply because he's politically popular you'll find someone like the vice

sheriff joe arpaio's senate campaign in arizona got a boost from an unexpected source vice president io was convicted of violating court orders to stop profiling illegal immigrants and pardoned by president trump last year. here's what vice president pence had to say about hip last night. >> and i just found out when i was walking through the door that we were going to be joined today by another favorite. a great friend of this president. a tireless champion of strong boarders and the rule of law, spent a lifetime in law enforcement. sheriff joe arpaio. i'm honored to have you here. >> wow. well, let's bring in the roundtable. john brabender, cornell, and kimberly atkins. what do you think, john? >> first of all. >> lenny bruce said hire the what do you call them the ex-cons like jesus did. that's what he used to say. >> here's what we found. there are certain things that matter to voters and don't. bill clinton has sex with an intern, people ended up not caring. barack obama colludes with the russians on missile defense, nobody seemed to care. hillary clinton gets rid of 40,000 e-mai

spent a lifetime in law enforcement, sheriff joe arpaio. a lot of people shocked. david french, rich lowry, charlie sykes. these are folks that -- you sort of come patriots of and they are unloading on pence. >> arpaio was pardoned. you are pardoned because maybe it's thought that it was an unjust sentence. he was convicted of a felony. >> in the court of law. >> for disaobeying a court order the release people who were being held on suspicion that they might not be american citizens. now arpaio has a whole history of really bad i think disgusting behavior. but i think what you see there in mike pence is a kind of sole selling. it's like watching somebody who sold his soul for a mess of pottage. >> it surprised me that people are surprised that mike pence sold his soul. i don't know who going to tell them who has boss has been the last two years. right? but the fact in a mike pence is a total apologist and lackey for the worst elements of this administration maybe it does some as a surprise. >> it's what he said. >> what he said. >> it's no

sheriff joe arpaio.e sure to please donald trump's most ardent supporters vice president mike pence praised joe arpaio. the former arizona sheriff known for his department's relentless persecution and profiling of people who appeared to be latino. arpaio became the recipient of trump's first presidential pardon after being convicted of criminal contempt in 2016. he is currently running for a u.s. senate seat in arizona. of course he is. joining me now to discuss maria kumar and maria elena. thank you both for being here. i just want to remind people of what sheriff arpaio was actually charged with and convicted of criminal contempt of court for dis i obeying a 2011 court order to stop racially profiling latinos in his maricopa county office. what does it say to you that he was, a, donald trump's first pardon and that, b, mike pence is now praising him on the campaign trail? >> it's really unconscionable. we're talking about mike pence just talked about him having an upstanding and supporting the rule of

sheriff joe arpaio!have you here. >> reporter: but that champion of the rule of law, former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio was convicted for contempt of court more ignoring a judge's order to stop detaining people he suspected of being undocumented immigrants. >> vice president pence, she praise on the sheriff as if he had not broken a federal law. >> reporter: president trump pardoned arpaio last year before arpaio was sentenced. and tonight a key question is being raised. could trump pardon his way out of the mueller investigation? "the new york times" recently reported that trump's white house attorneys approached lawyers for former national security adviser michael flynn and former trump campaign chairman paul manafort with the idea that trump might pardon both of them. that was while robert mueller was building cases against both men. white house lawyers denied making those overtures. manafort has since been indicted for financial crimes and pleaded not guilty. how could a manafort pardon help t

he did it with joe arpaio and dick cheney's chief of staff scooter libby. several people the president has done typically, kate, presidents wait until the end of the term to pardon people like this. typically someone they had a relationship with or someone they're allies have lobbied them to pardon. that doesn't seem to be the case here. the obvious question that is going to be raised here is is the president sending a message to other people by pardoning people like dinesh d'souza, is he sending a message? that's the question we're going to walk away from this pardon with here, kate. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. let's discuss it. jamil jafer is here, and mark preston. mark what do you make of this pardon? it seems out of the blue. >> it is out of the blue, but not unexpected in the sense that nothing is ever unexpected with this president. a couple of things i think we should really key in on here, and kaitlan mentioned them. one is sending a message now to those who might be in judicial peril. those were his former allies, those who may have inf

is the fifth pardon for this president, comes after other controversial pardons, scooter libby, joe arpaio about this one? >> reporter: it is pretty unexpected here. the president tweeted this minutes after he had been speaking with reporters at joint base andrews as he's on his way to texas today. he made no mention of this pardon and then tweeted out he is going to give dinesh d'souza this right conservative author and filmmaker a full pardon saying he was treated unfairly by the government. d'souza did plead guilty to these violating these federal campaign finance laws back in 2014. he did not do any time in jail. instead, he spent a few months in a confinement place, also fined $30,000. the president announcing this, quite surprisingly. i've been reporting on this white house for the past 16 months that the president has been in office and i never heard him mention dinesh

joe arpaio as well, the president's first pardons in the fall. several figures like that, and, of course, this here is going to raise questions of whether the president is sending a message with these pardons, sending a message to people like paul manafort, michael flynn, those are the obvious questions that are going to come about here for why the president somewhat randomly is issuing this pardon for dinesh d'souza today. >> good point. i want to bring in cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash to talk with us here. it also seems to be a message that the president is sending that says if you're with me, i'm with you, right? if we look at -- ier libby one aside. even his, you know, president bush did not pardon scooter libby. he commuted the sentence, but didn't actually pardon him. >> and the relationship with dick cheney. >> you look at joe arpaio, someone who disobeyed a federal judge's orders when it came to racial profiling, now you have someone who is admittedly committed a campaign finance violation giving money in the name of other

some of the pardons he talking about, today the idea of martha stewart and rod blagojevich and joe arpaio are ones where it's undermining the system. these are corruptors. you've got rod blagojevich soliciting bribes, martha stewart engaging in insider tradi trading, joe arpaio, ignoring court orders and dinesh d'souza, violating campaign finance laws. all of these have corrupting and corroding influences on a society. that seems consistent with the assault on our institutions that the president has launched and for which his campaign is under investigation. >> one more, dana, to you separate from the pardons tell me about your new reporting on rudy giuliani and how he's defending this conspiracy theory that the president continues to push with zero evidence that the fbi put this spy in his campaign. >> a couple things. one, he continues to say what we're hearing more and more from the president's allies in the house of representatives, which is this briefing that trey gowdy and other leaders in the house and the senate got about this confidential source was not enough, that they just wer

. >>> plus mike pence praises joe arpaio as a tireless champion to the rule of law. the same joe arpaio who faced jail time for criminal contempt conviction before being pardoned by president trump. thank you, mr. vice president. >> way to hurt yourself with conservatives, look on twitter. mr. vice president. >>> first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> bill, it's not, it's not 38 and raining, finally. >> finally. that was going to be 90 and sunny. so, yes. >> that's just too hot. no, it's not, we're good. >> we're fine with jumping straight to summer after the april we just got done with. with the warm weather on the east coast, the middle of the country is dealing with severe storms, yesterday we had 18 tornado reports, kansas and nebraska, thankfully tle were all like this one. out in the open fields, no deaths or injuries, we made it through the first of what's going to be a three-day outbreak in the middle of the country. what's left from the storms of last night traveling through missouri and wisconsin, not severe. throughout the day toda

first, with sheriff joe arpaio, that happened in august. behind the scenes, trump was talking about firing mueller around that time. that's when the trump tower meeting was being exposed. a time of high pressure. then, look when he pardoned scooter libby. you can look at the charges. he was convicted of obstruction of justice. that happened four days after the cohen raid, the raid of michael cohen's office and hotel and home. the timing is dramatic here because this comes also after some revelations about michael cohen's search. the shredded documents might be unshredded and how much pressure cohen's investigation puts on trump. it's hard not to see the connection here. >> susan, let's remind viewers of what the u.s. constitution says about the president's ability to issue pardons. this is what the constitution says, the president shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons except in cases of impeachment. is that power absolute? >> this is clearly within the president's constitutional power and unreviewable power at that. this is still

a tireless champion of strong border, spent a lifetime in law enforcement, sheriff joe arpaio. onored to have you here. >> arpaio was convicted of contempt of court after he refused to stop racially profiling latinos in his law enforcement work. he was pardoned by president trump before he was sentenced. con sefbtiservatives say it's depressing and the decline of mike pence. he simply said come on. thank you for watching "velshi & ruhle." i hand you off to andrea mitchell. >>> right now, hardball. robert mueller reportedly warning the trump legal team if the president will not agree to an interview he could be subpoenaed. this has the president escalates his twitter attack against rod rosenstein who told trump protectors in congress demanding documents on the russia probe to back off. >> there are people who have been making threat, privately and publicin

. >> you already had scooter libby and joe arpaio. phil, to you, is this a signal to some of his associates who are under investigation. some of have indicted and have copped flees. we're talking about michael flynn, rick gates and the manafort. manafort having been indicted. michael cohen under investigation. >> absolutely. >> this is not very subtle. >> i don't know whether the president intended it to be a signal to the people who are ensnared in the mueller investigation but it's being interpreted that way. they volunteered this is a signal straight to michael anyone wflynn who has pleaded guilty and cooperating with the mueller probe and it's a signal from trump he is willing to pardon people outside of the formal process of the department of justice for very similar crimes to those that flynn and manafort and potentially others will be accused of. >> and kristen welker there's a lot of other information that's coming to us fast and furious off of this interview that the president did with the press having brought them up to the

you might remember joe arpaio for his over-the-top cruel prison policies or that he was found guilty op racially profiling latinos, only to be pardoned by trump. so arpaio never even served time for the crime he committed. which is lucky for him, because i hear arizona prisons were designed by a monster. ( laughter ) and what platform is this 85-year-old racist running on? "he vows to keep pushing birtherism." really? obama's birth certificate? come on, you're living in the past. today's republicans are forward-looking. they want to hear about hillary's emails! ( laughter ) but arpaio has a challenger for who's going to drive the senate campaign clown car. he's got to contend with former state senator and recovering hair-straightener addict, kelli ward. ward is a conservative who lost a run against john mccain in 2016, and during that campaign, she appeared on the radio show of conspiracy theorist and screaming tuber, alex jones. jones brought up the idea that running against mccain might put ward in danger. >> i just want you to watch your back, because that guy is just such a gangst

we haven't seen that in the case of sheriff joe arpaio or desouza. some speculate that he is signaling to former associates caught up in the russia investigation, but this is not without precedent. there's history for this. nothing in the constitution that prevents him from doing this. and of course, president bill clinton bypassed the justice department over 40 times when he was president. >> you cover the justice department for us. when the president issues a pardon, suggests that the convicted felon, convicted person was treated unfairly, do prosecutors over at the justice department feel like their authority, their credibility, their reputations are being undermined? >> i think any time a pardon happens, presidential executive clemency happens, it is sort of a slap in the face to prosecutors that worked on it, but at least in the typical case, they would get to weigh in and say whether this is somebody that has shown remorse. in these cases they're not able to do that, and in fact the president has gone completely around the process. i think that

d'souza, joe arpaio, and -- i forgot. >> scooter libby? >> yes.ook, there are lots of miscarriages of justice in this country. it seems hard to believe that so many of them would involve members of his political base. >> chuck rosenberg what's the unintended consequence of the president essentially, he is bog this asher the. shane described it he will with, he is going object the asher the of fairness here. but if a president is saying that basically all the campaign finance laws in this country are meaningless, because that's kind the argument he is making. they are not serious. they shouldn't be enforced with the same seriousness that, you know, defrauding somebody personally would be, what's the unintended consequence of that in the legal world? >> well, he is substituting his judgment for the judgment of lots and lots of people who know the substance of this much better than he does. now, there is no argument about his pardon authority. it's unfettered. he can pardon whoever he wants. but taking a class of offenses, let's say it's campaign fin

he spent a lifetime in law enforcement. [ cheers and applause ] sheriff joe arpaio!i swear to god, this guy's reading his bible upside down. [ laughter ] mike pence is a guy who leaves a football game when players take a knee during an anthem in an exercise of their first ammendment rights, but is honored to be in the presence of a man found guilty of criminal contempt of court. in the words of our president -- >> does that make sense? [ laughter ] >> seth: this has been "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with priyanka chopra, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: for more of seth's "closer looks" be sure to subscribe to "late night" on youtube. ♪ what's uhey, thomas! whatcha doing? mother's day shopping. okay. any ideas? well, everyone wants the iphone. and they want it on verizon-- america's largest, most reliable 4g lte network. plus, right now, you can get a great deal. i already did. i was talking about the card. yeah, i know that. (music plays) come on. nope. (music plays) no, still don't love it. (vo) mom deserves the b

in addition trump pardoned former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio.so pardoned scooter libby convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury. kristin saucier, a former navy sailor convicted of illegally retaining defense information. and granted a posthumous pardon to long time boxing legend jack johnson. the last turn of the century for violating the jim control era law. i'm joined by seth waxman and jonathan capehart from the "washington post." gentlemen, thank you so much. seth, to you first. it seems he's bandying about this big bow cave pardons for one fat reason. i got something for you, michael cohen. just shut up. >> to me it couldn't be any more clear. is he hanging this out there sendsing a message to the people close to him that have been indicted or may be that if you stand tall for me, you stick by me, you don't point the finger at me or turn state's evidence, i've got a pardon and get out of jail free. stand tall. >> part of this is a bouquet of constituencies. jack johnson if he has a black studency. a lot of people follow boxing follow

he spent a lifetime in law enforcement, sharve joe arpaio. honored to have you here. >> also on the other side of the country, in new york, former congressman michael grim, he was convicted of hiring undocumented workers and hiding nearly $1 million from tax authorities and making false statements under oath. to hear him tell it, that's why he should get another run at politics. says it is no coincidence he was investigated by president obama's d.o.j. also west virginia. blankenship, a candidate for senate there a former coal bayonne, went to jail for violating coal mining laws, sending 29 miners to their deaths. here a question that the "washington post" headline posed, are crimes no longer a disqualification for republican candidates? are criminal convictions no longer political career enders? if the answer is no, has law and order become law and whatever in the united states? that wraps things up for this hour. ali velshi picks things up right now. >> didn't he call him the cocaine -- >> cocaine mix -- >> i was definitely not the direct li

so what made you become a hero sheriff and not a joe arpaio sheriff? know, recidivism rate's, like, 70%. it's expensive to incarcerate people. it's not expensive to give them a skill. - the man giving them that skill? local restaurateur chef bruno abate, who volunteers his time and expertise to teach inmates how to cook the best pizza in chicago. chef, what do you think about this deep dish pizza? - it's garbage. people should not eat this. it's like a brick. look at this. look. i mean, i don't know where you buy this. i don't want to know. but this is shame. - after a straight hour of [bleep] on deep dish pizza, chef bruno finally got around to telling me more about how his program is affecting inmates. - the program, recipe for change, is here to open your mind, to open your brain, give you hope, give you self-esteem, give you dignity. - give you pizza. - everyone in the cook county jail wants to be a part of this great program. - i learned how to be a better leader. - i learned how to work with a lot of other people. - basically, i've learned how to

in the primary, you have joe arpaio running. i think the last unapologetic birther in the country. he says the first thing he will do when he gets to the senate is bring the birther issue back. so you have that. but he will pick up a good number of votes. and -- it is a difficult minefield out there. i hope at some point, that the fever will break. and that voters will value governance and people who realize -- you have come to washington. obviously, you have a platform instead of principles that you abide by. but you recognize that those on the other side are your opponents and that your enemies. and particularly in the senate, you need to work with the other side. and that has kind of been lost. and i hope that the fever breaks sooner rather than later. because there are some big issues were both parties are going to have to hold hands and jump. share the political risk -- whether it is the deficit, debt, immigration or some other big issues. >> one last question. i wanted to just acknowledge -- i'm sure you are in touch regularly with your homes date -- senator colleague, senato

the politicalization of the department of justice was aimed at the detriment of law-enforcement, joe arpaio pardon, perez went after arpaio for criminal violations of a court imposed set of rules that had to do with antidiscrimination and car stops of hispanics. president trump pardoned arpaio and now a lawyer of history the leader of the democratic national committee, this is the hard nature of these organizations. i cannot see a benefit to weapon iced and politicized partisan fbi, named them all industry. i think president trumps frustrations in dealing with this our parent when he says let's tear down and start over. >> host: to kill the deep straight you say donald trump must defeat mueller's plan to remove him from office. do you want to elaborate on that? >> this investigation has come to an end. mueller is out of gas. he is now fishing. and putting it to an end, the clearest way and i recommended articles i have been writing and in the book is to get mueller himself under criminal investigation. let's get an honest grand jury that targets and subpoenas robert mueller to produce docum

he targeted joe arpaio saying "you and potus can go bleep yourselves, you racist nazi bleep." yeah, iger just hired him to go back to espn. good luck with that. now we turn our attention to nbc news. last night they ran a special entitled every day racism in america. joy reed came under fire for outrageous blog posts. she claims without proof that the internet had been hacked a and the firestorm goes away. everybody on the left accepted what was really a bizarre explanation. nbc frequently features the reverend al sharpton on issues of race and social justice. the same al sharpton. you may remember he said all of these things. >> you ain't nothing. you're a punk [bleep]. come and do something. >> we're the black chicken fried of the universe. >> sean: he's works for nbc which features alec baldwin in order to make fun of the president on "saturday night live," despite baldwin's -- he has a temper problem. remember this? >> you hear what i said? answer me. yes or no. >> yes. >> you hear with my wife and kid out here. you have a big problem, don't you? >> you are as dumb as you

that's not what we had under joe arpaio, under his time as sheriff. the voters turned him out by double digits and i don't think it's proper to refer to him in that way. >> i'm going to leave it there, senator. one quick thing. one quick thing. have you ruled out running for president? >> that's not in my plans but i've not ruled anything out. i do hope that somebody runs on the republican side other than the president. if nothing else, simplily to remind republicans what conservatism is and what republicans have traditionally stood for. >> if you ran, would you only run as a republican? >> i think so. i mean, i can't imagine doing anything else. >> fair enough. senator flake, now i will really leave it there. senator, thanks very much for coming on and sharing your views. much appreciatesed. >> thank you. >> you got it. all right. pannestists here, amy walter, and now host of wnyc's the takeaway fridays andrea mitchell and matthew. we're going to get to north korea in the next seg meant to let's focus here on the president this week. amy walter, look

joe arpaio i don't think has viability in the election.don't care what washington things and that's why you see the polls the way you do. >>paul: my view of your best pick up chances would be north dakota, indiana and probably west virginia. do you agree with that? >> i think you throw misery into that mix. >>paul: on a couple points ahead. >> it is but missouri is a state that donald trump county. it has significant support today for the president.every young candidate there was an outstanding representative for the people of missouri. i do think this will be an incredible battleground for us. west virginia will be an opportunity. i joked earlier this week that i think president trump would get residency in west virginia if he could. he loves it. he will be there a lot. >>paul: build a trump tower here. >>. [laughter] >>paul: those are your first four pickups. >> i think into this mix of course you have to throw a state like florida where public polls have shown rick scott ahead 44-40. this would be a horse race state. it's always tough i

and of sheriff joe arpaio, he racially profiled latinos, but the first pardon he gave out, quote, i thought he was treated unbelievably unfairly. unfairly, unfairly, unfairly. the question, is president trump preparing to pardon others? maybe people he knows better than "apprentice" cast members for being treated unfairly by special counsel robert mueller? jeff has more on the presidential pardon parade. >> reporter: president trump sending more signals than ever today. he's in a pardoning mood. out of the blue, the president announcing a full scale pardon for desouza. flying to houston, the president telling reporters on air force one, i called him last night, first time i spoke to him. i said i'm pardoning you. i felt he was unfairly treated. he pleaded guilty to violating federal campaign laws by asking women who donate $20,000 to the campaign of an old college friend running against kristin gillibrand in new york. he told them he would reimburse them. the president calls them a quick, minor fine. it's that election stuff, specifically russian meddling and the special counsel probe that

showing a growing willingness to pardon conservatives he believes were unfairly targeted like sheriff joe arpaiole some criticized the focus on partisan politics, others say he is righting wrongs that have been overlooked for two longs. now he is acting when he personally feels there's been a great and manifest injustice. he is not taking the time and following the lengthy elaborate procedures that normally are applied. the news also comes just a day after the president had a meeting at the white house with kim kardashian to talk about sentencing and prison reform n. what, leland vittert, fox news. >>> changes are being made at zuckerberg sf general hospital . this comes just one day after a woman's body was found in a stairwell in the power plant of the hospital campus. good evening. that plant where the body of ruby anderson was found is across the street from the main hospital building. the woman was not a patient at the hospital, but she did live on the campus. we have live team coverage. ktvu's henry lee has details about the care facility where anderson lived. but we start with christien k

scooter libby and joe arpaio. last week, he pardoned the former heavyweight champion, jack johnson. shepard? >> shepard: blake burman, thanks very much. mike pompeo says he doesn't know in the summit will happen next month. it comes after he sat down with kim jong-un's right-hand man in new york city. secretary pompeo said he made good progress with north korea during the talks. >> our two countries face a pivotal moment. >> secretary of state pompeo having dinner and meeting with the vice chairman, kim young chul in manhattan as they try to salvage the summit between president trump and kim jong-un. kim young chul is a notorious spy master. he's normally banned from entering the united states. president trump says a letter from kim jong-un is on its way to the white house. this mysterious letter, we'll have to wait to see what it says. >> a letter will be delivered to me from kim jong-un, so i look forward to seeing what's in the letter. it's very important to them. so they'll be probably coming down to washington d.c. on friday for the delivery of a letter. i look forward to that.

. >> stephen: do you think the president is doing these pardons, like the pardon of joe arpaio and scooterage to the people who are in hot water with the federals, like "just hold tight. daeld's got you." do you think that's why he's doing it? >> i think there's no question he's doing it, but i think it's a false promise. >> stephen: you don't think he would follow through with it. why not? >> i think he may follow through with it but it will not protect michael cohen from state charges. >> stephen: have you met michael cohen? >> we met at a restaurant, actually. >> stephen: was it a nice restaurant? >> it was a nice restaurant, but it was a very awkward meeting. >> stephen: michael cohen use told have a guy to come on tv, on the anderson cooper power hour, saying, "you know nothing about michael cohen. he's a great man. you're a terrible man." what happened to this guy. >> if anyone has seen him, please let us know. he cannot be found. and we're looking for him on the back of every milk carton. we can't find him. it was probably right around the time that the f.b.i. raided michael cohen's

among the president's previous pardons, vice president cheney's previous staff scooter libby and joe arpaio. is this a message that he has their backs if they stand by his side. and he also is considering pardoning rod blagojevich and martha stewart. >>> also, andrew mccabe has turned over a secret memo to robert mueller's team. it raises questions about the firing of james comey and its connection to the russian probe. let's go to our senior correspondent jeff zeleny. he's traveling with the president in houston right now. jeff, first of all, what is the president saying about the pardon of desouza and the others he may pardon? >> reporter: wolf, certainly the president is sending the message that he seems to be open for business, the pardoning business. he sent out another tweet early this morning about denest desouza. the conservative author that was really the leading proponent about a lot of conspiracy theories about barack obama, that he was not born in the u.s. of course not true. but he was convicted of a variety of campaign finance violations. he pleaded guilty. the president sayin

. >> jon: he also pardoned joe arpaio, the well-known former sheriff of arizona now running for the senaterizona. he was convicted of criminal contempt and the president pardoned him. he was one of the early pardons of the trump administration. there you see the president once again. i believe that's the back of senator ted cruz's head to the right just behind the military officer and mentioned also texas governor greg abbott is there and the attorney general ken paxton and a number of other texas political leaders. a big day for the president. he always keeps us guessing, does he not? >> julie: he certainly does. >> jon: those potential pardons a couple of seconds ago. >> julie: i was really surprised. you shouldn't be surprised. this president always has some surprises up his sleeves and keeps us on our toes and fascinating. >> jon: it is fun to watch. thank you for joining us on this thursday. >> julie: "outnumbered" will continue coverage and we'll hear from the president later this afternoon as he meets with families of the sante fe school shooting. >> jon: president trump has arrived

and joe arpaio, that was not a great pardon, but he did it because he like sheriff joe and his immigration policy and he took care of them. in the case of scooter libby, people say this is sending a signaling about loyalty. and judith miller who was the person who testified that he had told her about valerie claims that it was that she was mistaken. so a lot of us think that president bush should have pardoned scooter libby and he did the right thing there. so it seems like, lots of presidents are very rigorous about the pardon process, he need to treats it like his twitter feed, when he feels that he wants to express himself, -- >> martha: he is chuckling up a storm over there. >> i think that he is right. there is a whole pardon process that goes through the department of justice where they make recommendations, my understanding is that donald trump is not listening to that. he is not even getting the names from that pardon process. that's why i say, it feels like it is more based on celebrity and famous people that he knew. i think that is weird. >> martha: he is definitely a person who

joe arpaio i don't think he has viability to win in the general election.elly ward is questionable. i think what it comes down to is who the people of arizona pick. they could care less about what washington thinks. that's why you see the poll as you do in arizona with martha mcsally leading. >> paul: my view of your best pick-up chances would be north dakota, indiana and probably west virginia. do you agree with that? >> i think you show missouri into the mix. >> paul: very close inth the pos right now, only a couple points ahead. >> it is. missouri's a state that donald trump carried by almost 20 points. it's a state that has significant support today for the president. you have an inhe' incredible yog candidate, josh holly. so i do think that this will be an credible battleground for us. west virginia is going to be an opportunity. i joked that i think president trump would get residency in west virginia if he could. he's love it. >> paul: you have a fake trump tower here. >> we talk about wheeling. >> paul: those are your first four pick-ups? >> those a

he juks posed that with mike pence cozying up to the convicted and trump pardoned joe arpaio. pence oozing from every pore called favorite, professed himself honored by arpaio's presence, and praised him as a tireless champion of the rule of law. george will noted that that arizona speech by mike pence, quote, occurred eight miles from the home of senator john mccain, who could teach pence or perhaps not, something about honor. in his column, george will quoted a speech delivered by abraham lincoln after the murder of an anti-slavery newspaper editor by a pro-slavery mob. lincoln said, there was a mobocratic spirit among the vicious portion of the population. so let reference for the laws become the political religion of the nation. george will went on to say, pence, one of evangelical christians' favorite pin-ups genuflects at various altars as the mobocratic spirit and the vicious portion require. george will sees an important difference between donald trump and mike pence. trump is what he is, and pence is what he has chosen to be. here are the closing lines of george will'

you have people like joe arpaio in arizona.president -- >> or kelly ward. >> kelly ward in arizona. same thing. >> leon, can you explain to me, i understand that party leadership is often not very popular with the faithful. but it was interesting to me that blankenship chose mitch mcconnell, basically, he's like here's who i'm going to run against. i'm not going to run against my opponents. i'm just going to run against mitch mcconnell. and it was a somewhat similar strategy roy moore took on. explain what that's about. >> well, as you mentioned, we are in a republican primary. so he's not -- he has no reason to attack the democrat right now. and kind of the surest way to align yourself with the part of the party who's most closely aligned with trump and is most popular in west virginia is to take on the republican establishment. >> but why do they hate him so much? you can take on people and it doesn't work. but there's something there that says mitch mcconnell is what? >> well, mitch mcconnell is just kind of a . >> of what b

difference between the performance of somebody like sharon angle and somebody like roy moore or joe arpaio. if blankenship wins the nomination he could easily end up in the latter group. but if republicans nominate jenkins or morency, west virginia could be one of the most interesting competitive races in the country. in blankenship is succeeding even though conservative super pacs are spending money against him and liberal outlets such as "the huffington post" are continuing to publish stories that call him out for his offensive words like china persevered over at "the huffington post" they write this. west virginia and candidate don blankenship said he saw nothing wrong with the use of a racial slur with the father-in-law. the state now has a candidate and was unapologetic about controversial comments and unpredictable on a national debate stage. sound familiar? >> martha: it does. thank you very much. you're not exclusively, don don blankenship. a candidate for the u.s. senate of former massey energy sun don't let company ceo. it's good to see you here tonight again. good news, if it's

and on the republican side, you obviously have three candidates right now including joe ar pay -- joe arpaio. and we'll just have to see how all that plays out. kirsten sinema is running her race on her record and i think she's going to be in a very strong position. in terms of montana, look. yesterday in the united states senate we just passed with an overwhelming vote a piece of legislation to strengthen the veterans administration. and to strengthen veterans health care. the champion on the democratic side for that is john tester. and if you go to montana, i think you'll find that republicans and democrats, independents, agree that jon tester stands up for veterans. and it's his job to vet any nominee for the veterans administration. and he's doing his job. and most of all, he's standing up for veterans. which is why, you know, you have vote vets and others that are standing in his corner. as well as the veterans of montana. you know. jon tester is mr. montana. and i think that -- i think, you know, there's a real risk that if these attacks keep coming, on jon tester, they'll totally back

joe arpaio, the sheriff from arizona, scooter libby more recently.a, we just went back to check on this, didn't make any presidential pardons until late in his own second year, december of 2010, when he announced pardons related to low-level drug offenders. >> interesting stuff, peter alexander. i want to turn you to another piece of developing news coming out. we talked about the new tariffs the white house is implementing on the eu, mexico, canada, and now we're hearing from some of those allies. for example, this is the head of the eu saying, it's a bad did for world trade. they will proceed with the world trade organization dispute settlement case and put additional duties on a number of u.s. imports. you also have mexico now threatening or saying it will put its own retaliatory products on products coming from the u.s. peter, if the opening shot of the trade war was fired by wilbur ross an hour ago, this is now escalating it, right? that the allies are now coming back to say, we're taking aim right back at you. >> reporter: you're right. specifi

politicalization of the department of justice was aimed, i believe to the detriment of law enforcement, joe arpaio being pardoned, tom perez, a doggedly went after you're arpaio for criminal violations of a court of ordered, imposed, set of rules, the maricopa county sheriff office that that do with antidiscrimination and car stops of hispanics, and president trump pardons arpaio as tom perez, now one of the lawyer history, the leader of the democratic national committee, this is the hard nature of these politicalized organizations. i can't see n any benefit to weaponnized, o'lit sized -- politicized, partisan, cia, irs, doj, name then all, the fall bet industries, i think this president trump's dealing with frustrations are air parents when he says let's tear down the fbi building and start all over again. >> host: a couple of questions and don't have a lot of time left. to kill the deep state you said donald trump must defeat robert mueller's plan to remover him -- remove him from office. >> guest: mueller is out of gas and is now fishing and putting it to an end, the clearest eest -- i recommen