joe bastardi what she says to the climate change deniers, i guess like yourself, are not quite bolted well, you can blame it on my mom and dad. my dad used to say, i don't care what everybody is doing, you do the right thing and i guess that just sat with me the rest of my life. look, let's look at it this way, first of all, i don't want to just trash the epa for everything, because a big supporter of a lot of the things the epa has done and continues to do. in this particular case, if we look, for instance, at the linkage between co 2 and temperature in the geological time scale here. maybe i'm not normal, but it's tough to see that linkage if you actually look at the chart. in addition, some of the real hockey sticks. neil: do you have a chart? could you give us a chart? i'm afraid you might over the show. what is the chart? go ahead, tell us-- >> it would show that there's no linkage or put it this way, neglible linkage. i put that chart up there, i can't see you, i don't know if that's fortunate or unfortunate. the true hockey sticks of the fossil fuel era, if i could speak, are l