joe biggs is there propagandist. zachary rehl is the leader of the philadelphia proud boys come the former leader now, who marched with biggs on january 6 in front of the pack of riders that marched for the capitol. it was in between the and capitol were joe biggs came upon a police barricade. he breached that barricade, allowing the other rioters to go through and giving this sort of tacit endorsement to storming the capitol. it was a pivotal moment for this entire riot. it is for that reach that joe biggs created that they got the terrorism enhancement on their charges. judge tim kelly said colloquially i'm not going to like and what the proud boys did to plotting to blow up a government building. however, it was blowing up of the american process of the peaceful transfer of power that makes this terrorism enhancement accurate. and it is a big reason why there sentences are so substantial here. amy: i wanted to ask you about this comment of joe biggs. november 10, 2020, just after the news networks called the elect

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have you seen any shred of evidence that joe biggs was an fbi agent? >> no. >> in fact, joe biggs was a member of the proud boys. this is the assistant u.s. attorney connor munro stated about joe biggs and the proud boys in court. he stated quote, they saw themselves as donald trump's army, fighting to keep their preferred leader in power no matter what the law or the words had to say about it. on september 4th, joe biggs stated, that he is confident will pardon him. he said quote, oh, i know he'll pardon us for we are his supporters. we went there like he asked. must now ask about the case of stuart rose who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for the attack on our nation's capital. have you seen any shred of evidence that stewart rhodes was an fbi agent? >> no. >> in fact he was the founder of the oath keepers. a far right paramilitary organization. he said donald trump called them up as militia. and then sentenced to 22 years on the attack in our nation's capital. have you ever seen any evidence that in recovery tori it was an fbi agent? >> he was n

in fact, joe biggs was a member of the proud boys. this is what connor monroe stated about joe biggs and the proud boys in court. he stated, quote, they saw themselves as donald trump's army, fighting to keep their preferred leader in power no matter what the courts had to say about it. on september 4th, joe biggs stated that he is confident trump will pardon him. he said, quote, i know he will pardon us. we are his supporters. we went there like he asked. i would like to ask you about stewart rhodes who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for the attack on the capitol. have you seen any evidence that stewart rhodes was an fbi agent? >> no. in fact, he was the founder of the oath keepers, a far right paramilitary organization. rhodes asked donald trump to call them up as militia. enrique tarria, have you seen any evidence that he was an fbi agent? >> he was not an fbi agent. >> he was the leader of the proud boys. what happened on january 6 is that donald trump's supporters showed up because he told them to. they marched to the capito

. >> two leaders of the proud boys were sentenced today, joe biggs to 17 years in prison, for leaving group to march the capitol on january 6th. the second, zachary rehl, was sentenced to 15 years, those are amongst the longest sentences to be handed down to the convicted rioters. in a passionate and sometime tearful appeal to the judge, joe biggs admitted that he, quote, messed up that day and had to be punished. he asked that he be given a chance to see his daughter grow up. in his words, take you to school, and. up zachary rehl on the other hand sobbed and said he believed election lie spread by politicians. he said he is done with politics, done peddling lives for other people who do not care about me. the judge said the actions of joe biggs and others on those they quote, broke the transition of the peaceful transfer of power. prosecutor says joe biggs was among sort of attack police on the front lines, and pushed into the capital. let's go straight to the source tonight with somebody who was there that they. former d. c. police officer, and cnn's law enforcement law enforcement

have you seen any shred of evidence joe biggs was an fbi agent? >> no. >> he was a member of the proud boyz. he stated, they saw themselves as donald trump's army, fighting to keep their preferred leader in power. on september 4, joe biggs stated that he is confident trump will pardon him. he said, i know he will pardon us, we're his supporters, we went there like he asked. ask about stewart rose, sentenced to 18 years for the attack on the nation's capitol. any evidence stewart rose was fbi agent? >> no. >> he was founder of the oath keepers, far right military organization, rose asked donald trump to call them up as militia. enrique toreo, any evidence he was an fbi agent. he was not an fbi agent. >> in fact he was leader of the proud boyz. on january 6, donald trump supporters showed up because he told them to, they marched and attacked capitol because he told them. that is truth and how history will record it. thank you for prosecuting those who attacked our nation's capitol. i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. recognize gentleman from sou

joe biggs played more of a leadership role. we have another sentencing happening this afternoon.al sentence in this group will be on tuesday when enrique tarrio has his. prosecutors are seeking 33 years as they did with joe biggs. probably unlikely to get that high. there's the potential on tuesday for another record setting sentence. the current january 6 record is currently at 18 years. >> ryan reilly, thank you. appreciate it. >>> a leader of the pack. how donald trump maintains a commanding lead over his challengers for the gop presidential nomination. steve kornacki will break down the polls right here on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. mitchell reports" only on msnbc. (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) with verizon business, we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) so our customers get what they want, when they want it. (j

. >> yeah, this was a little of a surprise because i think joe biggs had much more of a social mediahe proud boys trial. and he was someone who i think had obviously a really severe alcohol problem. there are several videos that were introduced during the case where he is just sort of really lit, really drunk, and sending these videos talking about 1776. there is a claim he was actually drunk that day when he was doing all of this. but he really was a brawler for the proud boys and was somebody they really bragged about in terms of he's a big guy being able to take people out and a real fighter at some of these events that they had previously. i think there's an event where he punched someone in the face and knocked them out in one punch. someone who they really thought was this individual who could really bring a lot of force for them. but he wasn't someone that was more of their sort of media presence whereas joe biggs really was that. because joe biggs of course was the person who used to be an infowars correspondent and really knew a lot about social media. half of the evidence w

joe biggs was sentenced to 17 years in prison today. he was found guilty for trying to forcibly prevent the peaceful transfer of power from then president trump to joe biden after the 2020 election. >>> and still ahead, a new push to prevent sexual harassment and gender based violence on bart. the changes riders will see moving forward. >>> the largest city trying another approach to crack down on side shows. the latest idea from leaders in san jose. >>> i was hospitalized about 13 times. during one of those hospitalizations, i was given two weeks to live. >>> a bay area college student speaking out about the potential harm of social media. how she's now teaming up with the local lawmaker in an effort to protect young people. >>> a 28-year-old man was found guilty in connection to the 2021 murder of an elderly oakland resident. the jury finding bailey guilty of first and second-degree felony murder and robbery. 75-year-old pak ho was robbed in the adams point neighborhood. during the robbery, he fell and hit his head on the concrete. he

testify far-right proud boys were sentenced today for seditious conspiracy in the january 6th attack joe biggs, who led the group's florida chapter, received 17 years. the second-longest sentence for any january 6th defendant. zachary rehl, the former head of the philadelphia chapter, got 15 years prosecutors had pushed for them to be sentenced to over three decades each >>> in pennsylvania, a convicted murderer is on the loose after escaping from a prison outside philadelphia authorities hunting for danelo cavalcante say he is extremely dangerous. he was sentenced to life without parole just last week for stabbing his ex to death in front of her children anyone who spots him immediately should call 911 >>> also tonight, the horrifying images out of south africa. a five-story building going up in flames, killing more than 70 people, many of them children we get more tonight from matt bradley. >> reporter: you could hear the screams coming from inside the inferno. a fearsome fire engulching a five-story building in johannesburg, killing at least 74 people overnight, including 12 children. the b

attorney stated about joe biggs and the proud boys in court. you stated, quote, they saw themselves as donald trump's army fighting ko to keep their preferred leader in power no matter what they had to say about it. and on september 4th, joe biggs stated that he is confident trump will pardon him. he said, quote, i know he will pardon us. we went there like he asked. i'd like to ask about the case of rhodes, who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for the attack on our capitol. and have you seen any sled of evidence he was an fbi agent? >> no. he was the founder of the oath keepers. a far right military rhodes asked donald trump to call them up as militia. i'd like to ask about tarrio, who was sentenced to 22 years. have you seen any evidence that he was an fbi agent? >> he was not an fbi agent. >> he was the leader of the proud boys. what happened on january 6th is that donald trump supporters showed up because he told them to. they marched to the capitol because he told them to. they attacked the capitol because he told themstop the steal. th

was sentenced to 17 years in federal prison today for his role in the january 6th insurrection, joe biggs was convicted of spearheading an attack on the u.s. capitol to try to keep former president trump in power after he lost the election. the 17 year sentence is the second hundreds of capitol riot cases so far the judge said bigs, quote, trampled on the important american custom of certifying the electoral college vote, a resolution in support of governor newsom's proposed 28th amendment to the u.s. constitution to enact gun reform. >> it passed its first set vote at the state capitol. lawmakers within the senate public safety committee voted 3 to one to advance that resolution. proposed amendment would raise the minimum age to buy a gun to 21 mandate. universal background checks create a waiting period on all gun purchases and ban civilians from purchasing assault rifles, though the resolution passed comfortably. san francisco senator scott wiener who abstained from the vote expressed his concerns that this effort could have unintended consequences, creating a means for other states. t

joe biggs received a 17 year sentence, and zachary rail, a 15 year sentence. both were accused of being instigators and the storming of congress 2 years ago. the head of the roman catholic church pub, francis has just arrived in the predominantly, but his nation of mongolia, the vatican says, is a visit, will draw attention to people in the peripheries of society, and hopes it will help improve relations with china. all right, that's a figure headlines up next to a sense of community. we look at the world's top big, big story from global markets to economies in a small business portion including security, around the world. if there's something that the international community, your view should be doing to understand how it affects counting the cost on o g 0 the many those i stuff i love, bless you that it makes it. thank you. ok, let me what i think is what i mean just to pull up by his community up to infinity, goes up to those of those which i can pick on the because the stuff a lot of places people, a lot of them are they have like i said i don't normally u

in the strongest terms joe biggs described as one of the instigators of what happened said he had been by the crowd and he said he had just moved forward, he said my curiosity got the better of me and i'm not a terrorist, i don't have hate in my heart. zachary rehl said he regretted involving himself with any of it and said the politics consumed his life that he lost track of who and what mattered. there sentences of 15 and i7 mattered. there sentences of 15 and 17 years of significantly less than thejudge and 17 years of significantly less than the judge could have imposed. prosecutors were asking for 30 plus years judge explained that he was not whittling the level of violence on that day but that in effect he was getting the situation in proportion, that this had not been a mass casualty event and that the law existed to punish the worst of the worst perhaps for longer sentences. that was his reasoning for imposing the sentences that he did. we also heard from the lawyer representing both of the tyumen, norman pattis, who question why his clients were being punished for this crime o

joe biggs, who boasted about storming the capitol, today, in tears, pleading for leniency, before receiving one of the longest sentences so far. martha raddatz in washington. >>> supreme court justice clarence thomas disclosing trips paid for by his billionaire friend. five private flights last year. what his new filing also reveals. terry moran at the supreme court. >>> horrific images overseas. dozens of men, women, and children killed in a raging inferno. a massive fire tearing through a building. >>> 24 hours after that alarming scene involving senator mitch mcconnell, again freezing in front of the cameras, what the capitol physician is saying tonight. >>> here at home, the deadly helicopter crash outside new york city. the chopper going down in a lake. >>> and america strong. tonight, the nebraska volleyball team smashing the world record for women's sports. the largest crowd ever cheering them on. >>> good evening, and it's great to have you with us on a thursday night, i'm mary bruce, in for david. and we begin with the deadly trail of destruction and the lingering disruptions after

joe biggs, the prosecution said, was at the forefront of the mob. he was egging them on.oint and that person then went up and attacked a police officer. he went into the capitol, itself. so he was essentially one of the master minds. he was a senior proud boys member there, a lieutenant in the proud boys. so he was instrumental in the prosecution's view in leading this assault on the capital. and zach, he attacked one of the police officers with a chemical spray. the police officers with a chemicalspray. he the police officers with a chemical spray. he was also at the forefront of the mob leading the charge in. so in both case, one of the reasons why these sentences still were so high and why they were convicted of sedition is because the prosecution successfully proved that these two individuals were leaders that helped provoke the attack on the capitol — notjust been swept up in the mob, which is what their defence attorneys had asserted. former brazilian presidentjair bolsonaro, and his wife, opted to remain silent thursday after being questioned by federal police over

joe biggs, described as one of the instigators of what happened, said that he had been seduced by theed forward. he said, "my curiosity got the better of me. i'm not a terrorist. i don't have hate in my heart." zachary rehl said he regretted involving himself with any of it. he said he let politics consume his life and he lost track of who and what mattered. now, their sentences of 15 and 17 years are significantly less than thejudge could have imposed. in fact, prosecutors were asking for 30 plus years, and the judge explained that he wasn't belittling the level of violence on that day, but that, in effect, he was getting the situation in proportion. that this hadn't been a mass casualty event and that the law existed to punish the worst of the worst, perhaps for longer sentences. so that was his reasoning for imposing the sentences that he did. we also heard from the lawyer representing both of these two men, norman pattis, who questioned why his clients were being punished for this crime of sedition when they had been following the lead of donald trump and, in effect, suggesting th

joe biggs, as you say, who was a leader from florida, he was sentenced to 17 years in prison, zacharyntences — and critically next week, enrique tarrio, who was the proud boys leader. he will also be sentenced and perhaps can expect the longest sentence of all. in terms of those two sentences we're expecting in the next little while, i mean, pezolla, he was the only one of that group who was found not guilty of that charge of seditious conspiracy. but the prosecution is still looking for a sentence of around 20 years, aren't they? yeah, the prosecutors have actually looked for longer sentences given by what was handed down yesterday, 17 years and 15 years. perhaps the two today can receive similar length sentences. prosecutors have said biggs viewed himself and this movement as a second american revolution, where he and the other patriots would retake the government by force. and prosecutors say the harsh sentences are indeed long, but they say they're also an important example, mindful of the fact that, of course, america is facing another presidential election in just over a year's

joe biggs received a 17 year sentence and zachary rail, a 15 year sentence. both were accused of being instigators in the storming of congress 2 years ago. they faced several charges including suspicious conspiracy. hey, to show castro reports from washington dc. the 17 and 15 year prison sentences for the proud boys leaders are 2 of the harshest stemming from the january 6th riots. prosecutors had argued that joseph biggs and zachary rail lead a mob of trump supporters that violently reached the u. s. capital in january of 2021, to stop congress from certifying jo biden's electoral went over, trump prosecutor said that the pro boys group tried to intimidate and terrified the public into accepting their political views. quote, no difference in bombing, a building and government lawyers asked for harsher sentences that would reflect a so called terrorism enhancement. the judge said that the probably, the leaders helped break the american tradition of a peaceful transition of power, and that the sentences are meant to deter others from trying the same. that was

joe biggs was a leader under the instigator, a after a 4 month trial, the former army veteran was convicted of seditious conspiracy. he's now been given the 2nd longest sentence of any january 6 right to 17 year. the judge essentially accepting the prosecution's arguments. the fixed, committed an act of terrorism, seeking to influence the government to sites and act supports. the tip of the spear for the mode was highly characterized him also convicted executive rail. he was in the fox wave of writers to reach the capital spray one police officer in the face with an edited, identified by the prosecution is performing a key logistical re intend on using violence to lead to a civil war. he was deal for 15 years afterwards. the men's lawyers said both i'd be influenced by the lights wave of donald trump as judge kelly noted in the rel, sentencing um its a mitigating factor, but not a justifying or excusing factor. but you know, if your president's tells you your country's been stone, the country that people want and died for people are trying to take your boat from you. are you supposed to rea

joe biggs, a leading figure in the proud boys, who are strong supporters of donald trump, was given 17. both men cried in court as they expressed regret for their actions on that day injanuary 2021. 0ur correspondent wyre davies reports from washington. the proud boys saw themselves as donald trump foot soldiers and were among the first to march on the us capitol in the aftermath of the 2020 election. they and others believed it had been stolen. they said they were following his instructions. you will never take _ were following his instructions. moi. will never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. and we fight. we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more. , .,, . ., not going to have a country any more. , . ., ., more. the prosecutor said the leader ofthe more. the prosecutor said the leader of the proud — more. the prosecutor said the leader of the proud boys _ more. the prosecutor said the leader of the proud boys florida _ more. the prosecutor said the leader of the proud boys

have you seen any shred of evidence that joe biggs was an fbi agent? >> no. >> in fact, joe biggs was a member of the proud boys. this is the assistant u.s. attorney connor munro stated about joe biggs and the proud boys in court. he stated quote, they saw themselves as donald trump's army, fighting to keep their preferred leader in power no matter what the law or the words had to say about it. on september 4th, joe biggs stated, that he is confident will pardon him. he said quote, oh, i know he'll pardon us for we are his supporters. we went there like he asked. must now ask about the case of stuart rose who was sentenced to 18 years in prison for the attack on our nation's capital. have you seen any shred of evidence that stewart rhodes was an fbi agent? >> no. >> in fact he was the founder of the oath keepers. a far right paramilitary organization. he said donald trump called them up as militia. and then sentenced to 22 years on the attack in our nation's capital. have you ever seen any evidence that in recovery tori it was an fbi agent? >> he was n

joe biggs now facing 17 years in prison. biggs led the march to the capitol on january 6 and was convicted of seditious conspiracy. zachary reel is looking at 15 years. he broke down in tears during his sentencing and told the judge, quote, for what it's worth, i stand here today and say that i am done with it all. i'm done with politics. i'm done peddling lies for other people who don't care about me. and then there's rudy giuliani who notched his first legal loss this week. he's found liable for defailing two georgia election workers he very falsely accused of tampering with the 2020 election results. then there's former white house adviser peter navarro contempt of congress trial. a judge ruled he cannot use the executive privilege defense for failing to answer a house january 6 committee subpoena. his criminal case goes to trial next tuesday. >>> a capitol physician has medically cleared mitch mcconnell to continue his work schedule. this after a concerning moment on wednesday. >> my thoughts about what? >> running for re

the longest sentence of the day went to joe biggs with 17 years in prison, falling far shorter of theyears the government requested. a prosecutor argued biggs' actions that day include tearing down a fence between police and rioters were acts of terrorism that qualify for a longer sentence. the judge agreed, but biggs' lawyer offered a counter argument. the lawyer argued that the crimes committed by biggs on january 6 were, quote, overstated. and i quote, to treat these men as terrorists would be in my view the functional equivalent of the destruction of waco, end quote. the lawyer argued that an overly harsh sentence would be, quote, the equivalent of burning waco down. it'll create a martyrdom syndrome that will resonate just as waco did among conspiracy theorists in this country. waco, by the way, the deadly siege of a compound of an anti-government cult leader 30 years ago has become a symbol of government overreach on the far-right. waco is where donald trump held his campaign rally just before he was criminally indicted in manhattan. he told his supporters, quote, i am your warr

joe biggs khan plow boys leader enrique tarrio and they spoke for several minutes. the very next day the proud boys got to work. >> the proud boys launched encrypted chat called the ministry of self-defense. the committee obtained hundreds of these messages, which show strategic and tactical planning about january 6th, including maps of washington d. c. that pinpoint the location of police. in the weeks leading up to the attack, leaders and both the proud boys and the oath keepers worked with trump allies. >> donald trump is slated to head to trial in march for his role in the attempted coup. tarrio, 39 years, old will spend the next 22 years behind bars for trying to carry out a conspiracy to steal the election, overthrow the government, and keep trump in power. attorney general merrick garland released a statement saying, quote, the leader of the proud boys, enrique tarrio, one of the consequences of conspiring to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power is 22 years in federal prison. tom jacqueline is a reporter for the washington post. he's at t

over the weekend, joe biggs, on the stand on thursday, tearfully proclaiming that he knew he had, quotesed up that day, called into right wing extremist disinformation specialist as well as his former boss alex jones' radio show. here is some of what he said. >> i know he'll pardon us, i believe that with all my heart. the thing is hopefully getting him, you know, for him to be able to get into the position where he can at least be,i think, on the ballot to run, right? >> you have one minute remaining. >> i do believe donald j. trump will pardon us, but he should. we didn't do anything. >> joining this conversation, marcus childress. he led the committee's investigation into the rioters at the capitol including the proud boys and was a member of the team that deposed tarrio. claire and david with us as well. what i have to ask you, does tarrio understand, marcus, that trump could have pardoned him, could have pardoned them all, could have pardoned rudy, could have pardoned meadows. do they really think that he couldn't have pardoned them in the 15 days he was still president after the i

the longest sentence of the day went to joe biggs, with 17 years in prison, falling far short of the had requested. a prosecutor argued that biggs's actions that day, including tearing down a fence between police and rioters, were acts of terrorism that qualified for a larger sentence. the judge agreed, but biggs's lawyer offered a counter argument. he argued that the crimes that biggs committed were overstated. he said the proud boys were engaging in quintessential political behavior up until the time the riot turned violent. he said to treat these men as terrorists would be the equivalent of the destruction of waco. the lawyer argued that an overly harsh sentence would be, quote, the equivalent of burning waco down. it will create a martyrdom syndrome that will resonate just as waco did among conspiracy theorists in this country, and quote. waco, by the way, the siege of the compound of an anti government cult leader 30 years ago, has become a symbol of government overreach for the far-right. waco is where donald trump held his first 2020 campaign rally, framing himself as a victim

that judge sentenced proud boy leader joe biggs to 17 years in prison and former marine zach reel tom. >> they are afraid to say what is on their mind for fear of getting into a fight but if they have that guy or group behind them they are more bold in saying what they think because they think someone has their back. the proud boys are the vehicle that attracts those people and accepts them in. >> russell shultz is a former proud boy member himself helping to plan logistics for an event in portland. it ended with an altercation and both he and biggs found themselves in jail. shulz left the group in 2019 and he joins me now tonight. russell, thank you for being here. as i was just saying, joseph biggs who you know quite well, he was crying in the courtroom today. he told the judge, quote, i know that i have to be punished and i understand but please give me the chance, i beg you, to take my daughter to school and pick her up. what do you make of that? the tears? maybe the contrition. but after all that he's been convicted of doing? >> oh, it is a pretty complicated question. but i wou

joe biggs said quote, i'm so sorry. i'm not a terrorist. i don't have hate in any heart and msnbc reports he grew emotional as he talked about his daughter, swearing on his life january 6th would be the last event with the proud boys. the only event he wants to be associated with is his daughter's pta. do you buy that? do you think overall there's a significant number of these now convicts who are truly sorry for what happened and who have changed? >> you know, i'm sure there are a certain number of them. especially if they have strong family connections and they're beginning to think about the future of their daughters or sons' lives or their wives or husbands. but i think there's a lot saying whatever they can to get off the hook and once they're still getting a larger sentence, we're seeing that kind of rebellion. i'm sure everyone's emotions while they're being convicted and sentenced are very high. so we need to take that into account as well. i think it really is going to come down to community and family connections to really kind of

the top proud boys lieutenant joe biggs facing 17 years in prison.led the march to at capitol on january 6th, convicted of seditious conspiracy. and former marine, he is looking at 15 years. he broke down in tears in the sentencing and told its judge, i stand here today and say i am done with it all. i am done with politics. i am done pedaling lies for other people who don't care about me. two pled guilty to threatening election officials. chad christopher stark of texas pleaded guilty in georgia after the 2020 election. joshua russell ohio pled guilty to threatening an election arizona worker. the cases are part of the justice department's election threats task force which launched in june 2021 to address the rise in threats against election officials. >>> it's the start of labor day weekend and aaa is predicting more americans than last year will be traveling. the organization reports a 4% increase in u.s. travel bookings and a whopping 44% jump in international travel bookings compared to last year. it all comes as hurricane idalia snarls travel p

joe biggs get 17 years, zack reel getting 15. that, but do you believe those are feyereisen tenses? >> i think they're fair. and i'll tell you why. it's because a federal judge appointed to the court, who oversaw the case, listened to the facts, and also was privy to the pre-sentencing, pre-trial reports, decided that that was the appropriate sentence. >> i mean, both of them today in court before they got their sentences were crying. i mean, they were described as weeping, as sobbing. they were basically begging the judge for leniency. do you think, though, that they actually regret what they did? >> to be honest with you, i don't know. i spent 20 years as a police officer in washington, d.c. i saw a lot of defendants cry before they were sentenced. if i was threatened with any amount of time in prison, i would probably cry as well. prison is not a pleasant place to be. that being said, i think that what's most important, or the most important factors for a judge to consider, is when they're sentencing an individual, is the safe

on thursday, joe biggs who prosecutors call an instigator and leader, was slapped with 17 years in federalracy. zachary rehl, another member convicted of the same crime, he was sentenced to 15 years. on friday, dominic pezzola, infamous for smashing a capital building window with a stolen police riot shield, he was sentenced to a decade behind bars. then there was ethan nordean, prosecutors say he quote, -- for the purpose of taking the fight to the people that he viewed as the traders who were stealing the election. nordean tied the record for the longest january 6th sentence with a whopping 18 years for seditious conspiracy. but he may not hold that dishonor for long. enrique tarrio, the former national chairman of the proud boys, convicted for seditious conspiracy, set to be sentenced for his role in the capitol attack on tuesday. joining me now is rich benjamin cultural anthropologist and author of searching for whitopia, an improbable journey to the heart of white america. also with us, cynthia alksne, still part of the conversation. cynthia, let's talk about the sentencing. members o

words into action on january 6th, he received one of the longest prison sentences yet, 17 years for joe biggsa top member of the so-called proud boys. another member of the group's philadelphia chapter got 15 years. it is a busy night. cnn's sara murray starts us off. and sara, now that trump has pleaded not guilty and will not appear in court next week, what's next for him in this case in georgia? >> i think there is a question about when, if ever we might ever see donald trump in fulton county superior court. we did see from his attorney, his lead attorney in georgia steven sadow a motion to sever trump's case from another defendant. several have filed for a speedy trial, and the judge has said that will happen in october of 2023. in this filing, trump's attorneys says there is no way they're going to be ready to go to trial in october of this year. they're trying to force trump ahead on that timeline would violate his rights to a fair trial. there is also an open question about where trump is going to want to good to trial. we fully expect that his team is going to try to move his case to

them have identified him, and now you have lawyers for prominent rioters, such as the lawyer for joe biggsing his client was sold a lie. essentially he's acknowledging that donald trump sold these individuals a lie who then went on to attack the capitol, and attack police. >> greg, let's talk about fani willis's case because what we learned yesterday as we're looking at 150 plus witnesses on the prosecution's side, which one might be led to believe could argue against the prosecution being willing to flip anyone, but you have to look at that possibility from the perspective of the indicted because we are looking agent huge legal bills. we've heard multiple people complaining about it. and the reality that when you look in total just at the january 6th prosecutions, we're looking at 700 years of incarceration, what are you hearing about the status of fani willis's case from inside the courthouse or from your sources? >> yeah, when i heard the estimate from fulton county prosecutors yesterday, the trial could be four months without -- this is excludeing jury selection, so we're talking multi

words into action on january 6th, he received one of the longest prison sentences yet. 17 years for joe biggs, a top member of the so-called proud boys. another member of the president of the groups philadelphia chapter got 15 years. it is a busy night, cnn sara murray starts us off. and sarah murray, now that trump has pleaded not guilty at will not appear in court next week. what's next for him in this case in georgia? >> there's a question about when, if ever, we might see donald trump in fulton county superior court. we did see from his attorney -- 's lead attorney in georgia, stephen saad, all eight -- other codefendants, as you pointed out. several of them have filed for a speedy trial, and the judge has said that that will happen in october of 2023, in this filing trump's attorney says there's no way they're going to be ready to go to trial in october of this year. -- forced trump ahead on that timeline would violate his rights to a fair trial. there is an open question about where trump is going to want to go to trial. we fully expected his team would try to move his case to federal c

joe biggs hit with 17 years but he's still holding out hope his sponsor donald trump will bail him out one more time. take a listen. >> oh, i know he'll pardon us. i believe that with all my heart. >> you have one minute remaining. >> but i do believe donald j. trump will pardon us, and he should. we didn't do anything. we're his supporters. we went there like he asked. >> you can hear that's a jailhouse call, a prison call, we went there like he asked. two very different responses to this. given, again, your time with all of them, what do you see in responses from different people? >> there will be a consistent response from all of them. i think their only strategy now is to wait for trump to pardon them and i think it's the same type of strategy that trump is playing. he has to become elected to avoid the legal troubles he has in multiple jurisdictions. so that's -- without further cooperation with law enforcement, that's their best opportunity, and i believe that tarrio is the only person that could provide the authorities with any type of information that would be useful for prosec

for joe biggs they requested 33 years, he ended up with 17 years. the other individual zach rehl who pepper sprayed officers at the capitol and lied about it on the stand the government requested 30 years, and he ultimately got 15. he did bring in the sentencing enhancements for terrorism and decided their sentencing range was higher than the sentence he ultimately handed down, and basically said there wasn't any indication that they were really thirsting for killing people that day, right? that even though they were involved in this attack and this really atrocious attack, that they weren't actually necessarily trying to kill people in the way that you might think of traditional terrorism cases or foreign terrorism cases as we've come to think of them, peter. >> a case study in the art of performing your duties with a siren passing by, that's real live reporting. ryan reilly, thanks for your updates. >>> next up on "ana cabrera reports," senator mcconnell's latest health scares, republicans expressing concerns about their leader. >>> and the suprem

today's developments follows the 17-year sentence issued to proud boys leader joe biggs who prosecutorse served as an instigator and leader during the january 6th attack. in one of the longest prison terms issued so far, connected to the attack on the capitol. >>> now to the latest on the legal drama surrounding former president donald trump. attorney kenneth chesebro, one of trump's 18 co-defendants in the georgia election interference case, waved his arraignment and pleaded not guilty. this comes one day after the former president also waived his arraignment and pleaded not guilty to charges he conspired to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election there. trump also moved to separate his case from that of his co-defendants. meantime, the judge overseeing the georgia case said the proceedings will be televised and live streamed. we continue to wait for a federal judge to decide whether the former white house chief of staff mark meadows can remove his case to federal court. with us now, nbc news correspondent blayne alexander in atlanta and carol lam, former federal prosecu

. >> so too , the main leaders of >> so too, the main leaders of the group proud boys, joe biggs andrespectively. >> yeah, you see, and i've since heard ethan nordean has got 18 years. breaking since years. that's breaking since this was. >> yeah. that one was the heaviest one ever. and these are the ones in the second heaviest ones in italy. we have saying, say italy. we have a saying, we say the law to your enemies as you apply it, and for your friends you interpret it. so we've seen all these mostly peaceful protests over the past few years. the blm , we saw the years. the blm, we saw the autonomous , self—declared autonomous, self—declared independent nation of portland, you know , and all those kind of you know, and all those kind of stuff where were these hefty punishments for them? to me, it seems that the two tier system that you say is actually the case in congress. yeah. so what? well, they give you i'll tell you what. >> i'll tell you what, nicholas means and then you can go. i mean, basically, idea mean, basically, the idea that conservatives mean, basically, the idea tha

joe biggs, a top lieutenant, sentenced to 17 years. the sentencing a departure from the 33 year term prosecutors originally wanted after arguing biggs was a vocal leader of the group's shift to political violence. another key figure in this attack, zachary rehl, was given 15 years, below the 30 years sought by prosecutors. during sentencing, judge timmy kelly described it as, quote, it harmed a political custom. it broke the traditions of peacefully transferring power, among the most precious things we had as americans. notice i said had. we don't have it anymore. end quote. defense attorneys for rehl and biggs argued the sentences were harsh, saying their clients were just listening to orders from donald trump. >> donald trump stood, what, how far is the ellipse from here, mile and a half, 2 miles from here. he had 74 million votes. he was the commander in chief, the leader of the free world. he told people the election had been stolen. he said that while he was cloaked in the authority of the united states. there's a bigger threat th